The Pine Barrens Tree Frog and the Flood.

Argue for and against Christianity

Moderator: Moderators

Post Reply
User avatar
Tcg
Savant
Posts: 8494
Joined: Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:01 am
Location: Third Stone
Has thanked: 2145 times
Been thanked: 2295 times

The Pine Barrens Tree Frog and the Flood.

Post #1

Post by Tcg »

.
The Pine Barrens tree frog is well known in southern New Jersey and a few southeastern states.

Image

This frog is tiny at about 1 - 1 1/2 inches long. If there were a global flood that killed all land animals except the few that were in Noah's ark, an ark that came aground in what is now called Turkey, how did this tiny frog find it's way to southern New Jersey?


Tcg
To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.

- American Atheists


Not believing isn't the same as believing not.

- wiploc


I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.

- Irvin D. Yalom

User avatar
Difflugia
Prodigy
Posts: 3037
Joined: Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:25 am
Location: Michigan
Has thanked: 3269 times
Been thanked: 2017 times

Re: The Pine Barrens Tree Frog and the Flood.

Post #2

Post by Difflugia »

Tcg wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:36 pmThis frog is tiny at about 1 - 1 1/2 inches long. If there were a global flood that killed all land animals except the few that were in Noah's ark, an ark that came aground in what is now called Turkey, how did this tiny frog find it's way to southern New Jersey?
A pair of them rode on the back of a sea turtle that Jesus miraculously prevented from submerging.
My pronouns are he, him, and his.

User avatar
Tcg
Savant
Posts: 8494
Joined: Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:01 am
Location: Third Stone
Has thanked: 2145 times
Been thanked: 2295 times

Re: The Pine Barrens Tree Frog and the Flood.

Post #3

Post by Tcg »

Difflugia wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:35 pm
Tcg wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:36 pmThis frog is tiny at about 1 - 1 1/2 inches long. If there were a global flood that killed all land animals except the few that were in Noah's ark, an ark that came aground in what is now called Turkey, how did this tiny frog find it's way to southern New Jersey?
A pair of them rode on the back of a sea turtle that Jesus miraculously prevented from submerging.
I've heard some present quite seriously that animal life may have spread by riding on logs. I'm not sure what the average speed of a floating log is, but that'd result a rather long trip to survive absent food and fresh water. Of course if we rely on God-magic of some sort, details such as food and water matters little.


Tcg
To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.

- American Atheists


Not believing isn't the same as believing not.

- wiploc


I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.

- Irvin D. Yalom

User avatar
Purple Knight
Prodigy
Posts: 3490
Joined: Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:00 pm
Has thanked: 1129 times
Been thanked: 732 times

Re: The Pine Barrens Tree Frog and the Flood.

Post #4

Post by Purple Knight »

Frogs are a bad choice to prove religious people wrong.

>> They die and then rise from the dead.

>> They rain down from the heavens as mana. (This one ostensibly answers the OP.)

>> Just about anything kills them, even eachother, even their food, to the point that it makes one wonder how evolution produced something so weak. One fungus extincted over 90 species.

>> They can walk on water.

Image


User avatar
Tcg
Savant
Posts: 8494
Joined: Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:01 am
Location: Third Stone
Has thanked: 2145 times
Been thanked: 2295 times

Re: The Pine Barrens Tree Frog and the Flood.

Post #5

Post by Tcg »

Purple Knight wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:48 pm Frogs are a bad choice to prove religious people wrong.

>> They die and then rise from the dead.

>> They rain down from the heavens as mana. (This one ostensibly answers the OP.)

>> Just about anything kills them, even eachother, even their food, to the point that it makes one wonder how evolution produced something so weak. One fungus extincted over 90 species.

>> They can walk on water.

Image

If the Pine Barrens tree frog spread due to rain, the rain would have had to fall in very specific environments where they live. Of course I guess it could be asserted that they rained down all over the U.S. and only survived in the environment they needed.


Tcg
To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.

- American Atheists


Not believing isn't the same as believing not.

- wiploc


I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.

- Irvin D. Yalom

User avatar
Purple Knight
Prodigy
Posts: 3490
Joined: Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:00 pm
Has thanked: 1129 times
Been thanked: 732 times

Re: The Pine Barrens Tree Frog and the Flood.

Post #6

Post by Purple Knight »

Tcg wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:01 pmIf the Pine Barrens tree frog spread due to rain, the rain would have had to fall in very specific environments where they live. Of course I guess it could be asserted that they rained down all over the U.S. and only survived in the environment they needed.
Or they could have spread due to rain, and quickly because hyperspecialised, virtually instantly dumping any and all adaptations to survive outside of exactly the conditions they're in, a process which frogs seem to be very, very good at. This is why they're so weak, and I do realise I'm answering my own joke here and making the Joker sad.

User avatar
Miles
Savant
Posts: 5179
Joined: Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:19 pm
Has thanked: 434 times
Been thanked: 1614 times

Re: The Pine Barrens Tree Frog and the Flood.

Post #7

Post by Miles »

Tcg wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:36 pm .
The Pine Barrens tree frog is well known in southern New Jersey and a few southeastern states.

Image

This frog is tiny at about 1 - 1 1/2 inches long. If there were a global flood that killed all land animals except the few that were in Noah's ark, an ark that came aground in what is now called Turkey, how did this tiny frog find it's way to southern New Jersey?

They were toad across the sea.


.

TRANSPONDER
Savant
Posts: 8115
Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:05 am
Has thanked: 951 times
Been thanked: 3534 times

Re: The Pine Barrens Tree Frog and the Flood.

Post #8

Post by TRANSPONDER »

Out of the various explanations for the continent based - diversity of species, once we've stopped laughing at a hypothesis of Koalas being huffed by volcanoes from Turkey to Australia, is that Noah, who had been told which animals were going to be particular to which continent, herded then to their appointed parts of Pangaea and told them to hang on tight. The island -land -mass then split us according to heavenly decree and the various bits aquaplaned to their appointed locations. And as to why we have only Marsupials native to Australia but monkeys in the old and New worlds...God knows best.

User avatar
JehovahsWitness
Savant
Posts: 21109
Joined: Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:03 am
Has thanked: 791 times
Been thanked: 1121 times
Contact:

Re: The Pine Barrens Tree Frog and the Flood.

Post #9

Post by JehovahsWitness »

Tcg wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:36 pm .
The Pine Barrens tree frog is well known in southern New Jersey and a few southeastern states.

Image

This frog is tiny at about 1 - 1 1/2 inches long. If there were a global flood that killed all land animals except the few that were in Noah's ark, an ark that came aground in what is now called Turkey, how did this tiny frog find it's way to southern New Jersey?


Interesting creatures; apparently tree frogs are found on every continent except Antarctica. Here is an extract I found on them:


Evolution and systematics
The earliest fossil Hylidae are from the Paleocene of Brazil; elsewhere, fossil hylids are known from as early as the Miocene in Australia, the Oligocene in North America, the Miocene in Europe, and the Pleistocene in Japan. The meager fossil data are consistent with a Gondwanan origin of the family, presumably in South America after its separation from Africa. Independent dispersals from South America were to Australia via Antarctica and to North America and subsequently to Eurasia.

Source: https://www.encyclopedia.com/environmen ... gs-hylidae
Scientists think the ancestors of modern frogs all laid their eggs in water. Maybe the red-eyed tree frog itself could have evolved its leaf-laying habits as a result of phenotypic plasticity. Maybe an ancestor dabbled in laying its eggs out of the water, only on really wet days, to get away from aquatic predators—a plastic way of dealing with a dangerous environment—and that trait got passed on to its descendants, which eventually lost the ability to lay eggs in water at all.

Nobody knows if that’s how it happened. “That was a very long time ago and no longer amenable to those kinds of experiments,” Warkentin says.

Source: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science- ... 165716397/

RELATED POSTS
How MANY animals would Noah have had on the ark?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 05#p984905

How could Noah have collected marsupials native to Autralia? [Kangeroos, Koalas..]
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 96#p984396

How could frogs have spread from Asia minor around the globe ? [The post]
viewtopic.php?p=1054607#p1054607
To learn more please go to other posts related to...

ANIMALS , BIRDS and ...THE EARTHLY PARSDISE
Last edited by JehovahsWitness on Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:26 pm, edited 4 times in total.
INDEX: More bible based ANSWERS
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 81#p826681


"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" -
Romans 14:8

Charles1991
Newbie
Posts: 1
Joined: Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:36 am
Been thanked: 1 time
Contact:

Re: The Pine Barrens Tree Frog and the Flood.

Post #10

Post by Charles1991 »

This was first described by Fitzinger in 1843. It was later placed in the genus Hyla, true tree frogs, according to Boulenger in 1882. Fouquette and Dubois 2014, treated Dryophytes as a subgenus of Hyla. Dryophytes was finally resurrected as an independent genus by Duellman et al. in 2016. Only geographic differences, not morphological differences, separate Dryophytes from the genus Hyla. Hyla is found only in the Old World, while Dryophytes is distributed in the New World. Most members are found in North America, but three species occur in eastern temperate Asia; D. immaculata, D. japonica, and D. suweonensis.

Post Reply