TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:41 am
Tcg wrote: ↑Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:12 pm
TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:12 pm
Now that's a very pertinent point. It's uncannily similar to 'are you doing this to please God?' To which some apologists in the past have indignantly denied this and asserted that they are doing it because it's the Right Thing to do. To which, of course, Atheism staples in the last nail of the coffin for the Morality argument: "Well, that just what atheists do, too".
So here even though the Biblebrowser might entertain social refuse to lunch knowing that they won't pay them back, isn't there the idea that 'God is going to reward me for this'? That seems to be what the passage in Luke (his own adaptation of the 'ritual cleanliness passage found in Matthew and Mark) is getting at.
The problem is that if we reject that idea that Jesus literal meant not to eat dinner with friends, relatives or rich neighbors, why should we accept the idea that he literally meant there'd be a resurrection of the just with a reward waiting? This part is figurative, but this part right next to it should be taken literally. Odd isn't it?
Of course it also presents a bit of a "the check is in the mail" situation. Obey what I say now. You won't receive a reward now, but in the next life... Imagine of one could pay for food or transportation or housing with such an arrangement.
"Hey, buddy, you got cash?"
'What I can pay with is better than cash.'
"What's better than cash?"
'A bright and rosy future after you die!'
"You got Visa?"
Tcg
The scenario would of course be that, when the invited pavement -dwellers are finishing their after -dinner minds, the host would reach for his wallet. The guests aren't expected to chip in or the invitation gains the host no brownie -points. If of course he tries to tell the waiter (or counter staff with the card -scanner) that if they waive the cost of the dinner they will get their reward in heaven, I should like to be advised beforehand, so I can book myself a table and come and watch.
It also remind me of a story Bill Murray's character, Carl Spackler, told a fellow caddy in Caddy Shack. Carl was caddying for the Dalai Lama and was afraid the Dalai Lama was going to stiff him after the 18th hole.
C.S. - “Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know.”
D.L. - “Oh, uh, there won’t be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness.”
C.S. - (To his fellow caddy) "So I got that goin’ for me, which is nice."
Of course not all are as gullible as Carl Spackler.
Tcg