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Are evangelicals more power hungry than the 'typical' christian?

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Reference:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/letter-evang ... 36758.html

Are evangelicals more apt to try to have power over others than other christian sects?
If not, why not?
If so, what's their end goal? Or is there not one - is it simply more of a 'power thing' than anything else?

Or are they just as power hungry as any other.... group (because some get offended over using the C word even though, per definition, it is correct)?
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nobspeople wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:00 pm
Are evangelicals more apt to try to have power over others than other christian sects?
I don't think so. Historically, Evangelicals (and particularly Fundamentalists) have eschewed politics.

The trend toward greater political participation among Evangelicals in the United States over the past 40 years may signal a fundamental shift in attitude about political power among that group, but I suspect they will revert back to less political engagement over the long term.

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nobspeople wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:00 pm Reference:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/letter-evang ... 36758.html

Are evangelicals more apt to try to have power over others than other christian sects?
If not, why not?
If so, what's their end goal? Or is there not one - is it simply more of a 'power thing' than anything else?

Or are they just as power hungry as any other.... group (because some get offended over using the C word even though, per definition, it is correct)?
From what I've read I've always had the impression they were obnoxiously assertive, but that's just me. (I don't recall ever meeting an evangelical.) Perhaps they're very pleasant folk who just get carried away with their mission (?). However, as far as being power hungry, this is something I don't recognize. Got any examples?


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Miles wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:06 pm
nobspeople wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:00 pm Reference:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/letter-evang ... 36758.html

Are evangelicals more apt to try to have power over others than other christian sects?
If not, why not?
If so, what's their end goal? Or is there not one - is it simply more of a 'power thing' than anything else?

Or are they just as power hungry as any other.... group (because some get offended over using the C word even though, per definition, it is correct)?
From what I've read I've always had the impression they were obnoxiously assertive, but that's just me. (I don't recall ever meeting an evangelical.) Perhaps they're very pleasant folk who just get carried away with their mission (?). However, as far as being power hungry, this is something I don't recognize. Got any examples?


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Last evangelical I met was decades ago, now that I think about it (almost forgotten about them TBH). They were... interesting... to say the least. They weren't politically motivated and very nice, which seems to be at odd with some from the article, which is what made me wonder and submit the question.
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Christianity on the whole has had a rocky relationship with politics, often swinging from one extreme of being power hungry to the other extreme of abandoning social justice and care entirely.

That said, this example seems more like scapegoating Evangelicals. We love to have a cultural bad guy, be it big pharma, or the Tea Party, or socialists, or the media, or Evangelicals. These are all massive and essentially faceless groups so we can say that something is all their fault without needing to think of them as individuals with the same fears, desires, anxieties, and hopes that we as individuals have.
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bjs1 wrote: Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:44 am [Replying to nobspeople in post #1]

Christianity on the whole has had a rocky relationship with politics, often swinging from one extreme of being power hungry to the other extreme of abandoning social justice and care entirely.

That said, this example seems more like scapegoating Evangelicals. We love to have a cultural bad guy, be it big pharma, or the Tea Party, or socialists, or the media, or Evangelicals. These are all massive and essentially faceless groups so we can say that something is all their fault without needing to think of them as individuals with the same fears, desires, anxieties, and hopes that we as individuals have.
Excellent point! That said, sometime, 'scapegoats' are deserving. And, as they say, one bad apple spoils the whole bushel. Even so, does sometimes the whole bushel needs thrown out even if all the apples aren't bad? Guilt by association, in a sense?
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historia wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:55 pm
nobspeople wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:00 pm
Are evangelicals more apt to try to have power over others than other christian sects?
I don't think so. Historically, Evangelicals (and particularly Fundamentalists) have eschewed politics.

The trend toward greater political participation among Evangelicals in the United States over the past 40 years may signal a fundamental shift in attitude about political power among that group, but I suspect they will revert back to less political engagement over the long term.
It is apparent that the Marxian/Marxist and the Muslim religions are the political power grapping religions, with aspirations of converting the whole world, by hook crook, or sword. The no god religion, atheism, would be a fundamental part of Marxist ideology.

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2ndpillar2 wrote: Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:47 am
historia wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:55 pm
nobspeople wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:00 pm
Are evangelicals more apt to try to have power over others than other christian sects?
I don't think so. Historically, Evangelicals (and particularly Fundamentalists) have eschewed politics.

The trend toward greater political participation among Evangelicals in the United States over the past 40 years may signal a fundamental shift in attitude about political power among that group, but I suspect they will revert back to less political engagement over the long term.
It is apparent that the Marxian/Marxist and the Muslim religions are the political power grapping religions, with aspirations of converting the whole world, by hook crook, or sword. The no god religion, atheism, would be a fundamental part of Marxist ideology.
Is it being 'power hungry' or simply over zealousness of being 'right' and getting to 'paradise'? I'm not totally challenging your POV, just curious as, the muslims I've seen tend to be overly nice and polite or the exact opposite with little to no desire for power but more for being 'right'. Or does that equate to power hungry-ness itself?
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Where perception is reality, I see evangelicals, at least here in Murica, to be aggressively political and power hungry.

Wouldn't be so bad, I reckon, if they promoted the same ideals as Jesus. Instead we get the Trump loving authoritarians.

If only more liberal evangelicals had a bullhorn.
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nobspeople wrote: Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:39 am
2ndpillar2 wrote: Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:47 am
historia wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:55 pm
nobspeople wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:00 pm
Are evangelicals more apt to try to have power over others than other christian sects?
I don't think so. Historically, Evangelicals (and particularly Fundamentalists) have eschewed politics.

The trend toward greater political participation among Evangelicals in the United States over the past 40 years may signal a fundamental shift in attitude about political power among that group, but I suspect they will revert back to less political engagement over the long term.
It is apparent that the Marxian/Marxist and the Muslim religions are the political power grapping religions, with aspirations of converting the whole world, by hook crook, or sword. The no god religion, atheism, would be a fundamental part of Marxist ideology.
Is it being 'power hungry' or simply over zealousness of being 'right' and getting to 'paradise'? I'm not totally challenging your POV, just curious as, the muslims I've seen tend to be overly nice and polite or the exact opposite with little to no desire for power but more for being 'right'. Or does that equate to power hungry-ness itself?
Most of the "Muslims" you probably know live in the west. They do not probably outwardly reflect the historical Muslim doctrine. The Muslims are given the right to lie to protect their religion, to defeat their enemies, the Kuffar, the unbelievers, such as "Christians" and "Jews", and to lie to their wife to keep the peace. On the other hand, dishonor their supposed prophet, or cross them in their own political areas, and you might want to wear a neck or chest vest. Were your Muslim friends happy about 9/11, or were they subdued, or did they condemn the actions of the event? Are they happy about the new Afghanistan Caliphate, and it's potential, or are they alarmed at what could, and is now happening? As for getting into paradise, for a Muslim, that could involve killing a kafir, or a fallen Muslim/heretic.

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