Another Circular Circular.

[Tcg]

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Apparently due to the pandemic, the JWs have taken to mailing out their circulars rather than knocking on doors and handing them out personally or leaving them in mailboxes if they get no answer. The latest I've gotten in the mail asks, "How do you view the future?" As is often the case, the first part refers to the Bible to answer the question on the cover and the second part purports to answer the question, "Can we really believe what the Bible says?" Oddly the second part contains a total of eight biblical references to support the claim that one can.

Does it make logical sense to accept the verses supporting the Bible as evidence the Bible should be believed?

Do some who receive this circular circular not notice its circular nature?


Tcg

[We_Are_VENOM]

Nope. Simply looking out for the welfare of fellow humans.

Oh, are you?

Some will fall for circular arguments like the one found is this circular without noticing they are based on a logical fallacy.


Tcg

LOL.

This reminds me of Walmarts Loss Prevention department.

While they are so busy attempting to track and prevent theft by customers, less effort is placed on the prevention of theft by EMPLOYEES.

How about placing some energy in pinpointing and calling out the logic fallacies of your peers/colleagues?

[Tcg]

Nope. Simply looking out for the welfare of fellow humans.

Oh, are you?

Indeed I am.

Some will fall for circular arguments like the one found is this circular without noticing they are based on a logical fallacy.


Tcg

How about placing some energy in pinpointing and calling out the logic fallacies of your peers/colleagues?

I've got my hands full with those theists present. As has been documented in this thread, some theists go door to door handing out circular circulars, some mail out circular circulars, and some even take to cold calling on the phone. It's quite a massive campaign to deal with.


Tcg

[We_Are_VENOM]

I've got my hands full with those theists present. As has been documented in this thread, some theists go door to door handing out circular circulars, some mail out circular circulars, and some even take to cold calling on the phone. It's quite a massive campaign to deal with.


Tcg

It is indeed a massive campaign to deal with. Correcting JW's on their follies is a full time job/commitment in itself.

Not to mention other false religions and cults that I have to deal with, and also not including atheists/agnostics as well.

Like Jesus said; the work is plenty, but the workers are few.

[Tcg]

I've got my hands full with those theists present. As has been documented in this thread, some theists go door to door handing out circular circulars, some mail out circular circulars, and some even take to cold calling on the phone. It's quite a massive campaign to deal with.


Tcg

It is indeed a massive campaign to deal with. Correcting JW's on their follies is a full time job/commitment in itself.

The JWs are not the only ones who participate in the campaign.







I'm sure if we searched hard enough, we could even find some that preach against "easy believism." Oh, here we go.




Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

The JWs are not the only ones who participate in the campaign.

I think its common knowledge that evangelization is considered part of the Christian calling. Jesus is reported to have commission his followers to preach his message worldwide and distributing printing literature is viewed as just one of the means of delivering that message by almost all Christian groups.

source: https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/?start=60


That Jehovahs Witness are arguably the most known for their public Witnessing is not to say they are the ONLY ones that do it.


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[Tcg]

That Jehovahs Witness are arguably the most known for their public Witnessing is not to say they are the ONLY ones that do it.

I've never had a JW approach me on the street. In New York City, I used to run in to members of this group quite a bit:

The Family International (TFI) is a Christian New Religious Movement that has been criticized as an authoritarian cult[1][2] and was founded in Huntington Beach, California, US in 1968 by David Berg. Originally named Teens for Christ, it has gone under a number of different names. It gained notoriety as The Children of God (COG). It was later renamed and reorganized as The Family of Love (1978–1981), which was eventually shortened to The Family. As of 2004 it goes by The Family International.

Former members have accused the group of child sexual abuse, physical abuse, exploitation,[3] the targeting of vulnerable people,[4] and creating lasting trauma among children raised in the group.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_International

When River Phoenix was a child, his family was a member of this group when it was known as The Children of God (COG).



They used to hand out pastel-colored tracts too. Anyone who is familiar with this group's practice of "flirty fishing" will have a good idea of the content of their tracts.


Tcg

[benchwarmer]

I've never had a JW approach me on the street.

I have, though technically I was in a parking lot attempting to enjoy my lunch I just picked up in a drive thru. There I was, sitting in my truck, window open enjoying the afternoon breeze and chowing down what was likely an unhealthy burger.

All of a sudden an older lady approaches my window and asks me about one of their beliefs (I can't remember what it was about exactly, one of the usual JW lines though). Good grief, how impolite can a person be. If I want to inquire about some belief system, I'll find YOU. Randomly accosting people and expecting to land a convert is ridiculous. It must work every so often though because they keep doing it.

It would be a whole lot more fun now that I'm actually versed in the various ins and outs of Christianity (this happened before I really got involved more heavily with Christianity). I wonder what tired apologetic they would trot out if I could get them out of the circular model of pointing at their Bible. Or how many times they would go around in the same circle as they tried to explain the tract they were trying to hand me.

I know many of these people mean well, but I think they really need to stop and think about how they would feel if someone randomly walked up to them and tried to convince them that their lives hang in the balance if they don't believe in Bob the unicorn.

They used to hand out pastel-colored tracts too. Anyone who is familiar with this group's practice of "flirty fishing" will have a good idea of the content of their tracts.

Ok, I've never heard of "flirty fishing" before. One has to wonder about the depravity of some people to come up with ways to lure people into their religions. I guess when power and money are at the end of the rainbow for the people at the top, everything is fair game.

[Tcg]

I've never had a JW approach me on the street.

I have, though technically I was in a parking lot attempting to enjoy my lunch I just picked up in a drive thru. There I was, sitting in my truck, window open enjoying the afternoon breeze and chowing down what was likely an unhealthy burger.

All of a sudden an older lady approaches my window and asks me about one of their beliefs (I can't remember what it was about exactly, one of the usual JW lines though). Good grief, how impolite can a person be. If I want to inquire about some belief system, I'll find YOU. Randomly accosting people and expecting to land a convert is ridiculous. It must work every so often though because they keep doing it.

It would be a whole lot more fun now that I'm actually versed in the various ins and outs of Christianity (this happened before I really got involved more heavily with Christianity). I wonder what tired apologetic they would trot out if I could get them out of the circular model of pointing at their Bible. Or how many times they would go around in the same circle as they tried to explain the tract they were trying to hand me.

I know many of these people mean well, but I think they really need to stop and think about how they would feel if someone randomly walked up to them and tried to convince them that their lives hang in the balance if they don't believe in Bob the unicorn.

I've had similar experiences with other groups, and it can indeed be quite unpleasant. From what I understand, the JWs think we are in the last days although that has been true ever since their formation in the late 1800's. This is in part what causes them to use the witnessing drives they consider so important. Gotta get those last few souls I suppose before the whistle blows

They used to hand out pastel-colored tracts too. Anyone who is familiar with this group's practice of "flirty fishing" will have a good idea of the content of their tracts.

Ok, I've never heard of "flirty fishing" before. One has to wonder about the depravity of some people to come up with ways to lure people into their religions. I guess when power and money are at the end of the rainbow for the people at the top, everything is fair game.

In spite of the title, it goes well beyond flirting. It's basically using sex to attract converts which is described as God's love. The group is infamous for sexual abuse amongst its members particularly children. I suspect this is what drove the many name changes. Trying to flee a very disgusting reputation.


Tcg

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #105]

I think its common knowledge that evangelization is considered part of the Christian calling. Jesus is reported to have commission his followers to preach his message worldwide and printing literature is viewed as just one of the means of delivering that message by almost all Christian groups.

Starting with the bible of course.

I myself see Christianity as something which was most likely created by Romans and Greeks in an effort to hijack another cultures religious belief and make it their own.

That is why the Christian script contains ideas to do with Father-God figures, the need for gods to look like humans, the need for gods to be sacrificed on behalf of humans, the need for images of gods to be worshiped, the need for opposing gods to be able to stuff up plans of other gods...the list goes on.

If I am correct about this, then the JWOrg is really an instrument of Roman/Greek ideas of god, rather than the Hebrew idea of "Jehovah".

That is also why I engage with listening to what Rabbis and the Hebrew language have to say when it comes to things to do with what the Christians refer to as 'The Old Testament" because it removes all the Roman/Greek overtones, giving a more pure rendering of the meaning the Hebrew Culture has on any particular word written in their holy books.

When I want to know something about a culture, I ask those within that culture, not those without.

[TRANSPONDER]

I don't see it quite like that. If that is a deliberate policy to Hi- jack existing religions. I see the Hebrew god as just like the Middle-Eastern tribal gods, but with an advantage - laws to keep them separate. Laws that Paul sidelined to make the Judean God a Hellenistic one, with the Jesus -figure turned into a Greek demi- god to keep up with the religions of Isis and Mithras. And Christianity had the popular appeal and probably the appeal of apparent historicity. I see it half as a lucky combination and half as inevitable development (evolution ) of the religion.

As to JW door -knocking, that was a real pain and religions (not to say Cults) feverishly competing for custom was a real problem in the 60s - 80s. The only time I got a street(rather than doorstep) approach (apart from moonies, who were primarily a marketing group) was a couple of Mormons a year or so before the Plague cleared the streets even of the street evangelists. The JWs did have a street stall in my town but they didn't leap on passers - by.