1213 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:09 pm
Tcg wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:40 pm
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Darkness was over the surface of the deep because God had not yet gotten around to creating any of the stars including our Sun. ...
But there was light, doesn't that count something?
God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
Gen. 1:3
I think it is possible to have other sources of heat than sun and stars. For example allegedly earths core is extremely hot nowadays. All thought, it would have been much easier to move on top of ice than liquid water.
it would have been much easier to move on top of ice I love the idea of the Spirit of God ice - skating.
We can take it that (like almost all creationists) you accept science on teaching a round earth, heliocentric system and deep space (and deny that Genesis uses the Babylonian cosmic model (1), though perhaps rejecting science on evolution, and Deep time Geology rather than creation (3) .
The fact is that water being liquid on earth has nothing whatever to do with the molten core, and everything to do with the heat of the sun. Light in itself is not warm (so far as I know) and it is heat that warms (2) and specifically the heat of the sun. Before the creation of the sun, there would not have been enough warmth to melt cosmic ice into water.
Though of course, if you think about it, you can hardly be arguing (if you don't think the world is flat) that the earth and half of creation came about before God thought a sun and moon would be a good idea.
I'd guess the answer to the OP is: 'hardly any Creationist thinks the sun was actually created at such a later stage (hang on..let me get me Theist hat) and it was there (supplying heat to melt cosmic ice) but nobody on earth could see it'
(cloud -cover apologetic). Which rebuttal we have seen before - nobody WAS on earth to see it so it must be God telling whoever wrote the account. So why did He tell them what was wrong?
(1) there's a point here and I'm amazed I never thought of it before. If the Bible doesn't describe a flat earth and sky dome with the sun rotating around the earth, why did everyone up to the 16th century think it did? The answer must be, human false understanding - The Bible described the universe as it is, even though it doesn't look like it. Which is where the 'adapting Genesis to fit science' (apart from Evilooshun) apologetic comes from.
(2) there's going to be a temptation for the theist apologist to wave the magic wand. '
If God can create light without a sun to produce it (the moon reflects sunlight and produces almost none on its' own) God can produce heat without any source in order to melt cosmic ice'. But if one is going to do God - magic like that, discussion of practical events is going to be irrelevant, anyway.
(3) the Rule is: "Deny science, but not so much that people start laughing at you".