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Ten Commandments

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Ask 1000 christians "What, exactly, counts as 'a sin'?" and you'd probably get various answers. Most, somewhere in the conversation, would likely visit the Ten Commandments. Fair enough, I suppose. But are there other things that aren't included in the Ten Commandments - outliers - that are also sin?
Some say it's a sin to smoke, drink, do drugs, curse. Some say those are OK so long as you're not over indulging in them.
Some say it's a sin to kill another human being, while others say it's not if it pertains to justice and or self defense.
Some say it's a sin to blaspheme, yet many can't agree on what that is, exactly.
Some say it's a sin to disobey god, while others say it's not a sin, just not a good idea.
Some say it's a sin to be gay, while others say it's not, but the act it, while others still say being gay is not an issue.
Some say it's a sin to have sex before marriage, while others say it's not, while others still say having sex is a union and thus, dictates being married.

It seems that, if sin separates one from god, it's an important enough concept in which everyone should be able to fully grasp.

So, assuming violating the 10 CMDMTS is a sin, are there other things that are sinful as well? If yes, what are they, exactly? If not, is it safe to say obeying the 10 CMDMTS is a sure-fire way to avoid sin?
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Re: Ten Commandments

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We_Are_VENOM wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:07 pm And what are God's commandments? Shouldn't matter to and unbeliever, since according to the unbeliever, God doesn't exist.
Based on the behaviour of many, it doesn't matter to those Christians either. Oh, wait. No True Christian............ :P
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Re: Ten Commandments

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nobspeople wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:27 am Ask 1000 christians "What, exactly, counts as 'a sin'?" and you'd probably get various answers. Most, somewhere in the conversation, would likely visit the Ten Commandments. Fair enough, I suppose. But are there other things that aren't included in the Ten Commandments - outliers - that are also sin?
Some say it's a sin to smoke, drink, do drugs, curse. Some say those are OK so long as you're not over indulging in them.
Some say it's a sin to kill another human being, while others say it's not if it pertains to justice and or self defense.
Some say it's a sin to blaspheme, yet many can't agree on what that is, exactly.
Some say it's a sin to disobey god, while others say it's not a sin, just not a good idea.
Some say it's a sin to be gay, while others say it's not, but the act it, while others still say being gay is not an issue.
Some say it's a sin to have sex before marriage, while others say it's not, while others still say having sex is a union and thus, dictates being married.

It seems that, if sin separates one from god, it's an important enough concept in which everyone should be able to fully grasp.

So, assuming violating the 10 CMDMTS is a sin, are there other things that are sinful as well? If yes, what are they, exactly? If not, is it safe to say obeying the 10 CMDMTS is a sure-fire way to avoid sin?
What I've found interesting is that nowhere in the Bible is breaking any of the Ten Commandments explicitly considered to be a sin. e.g. "bearing false witness against thy neighbor is a sin." OR "breaking any of the Ten Commandments is a sin" (I await the verse that proves this wrong ;) )

What I also find interesting is that Catholics and Protestants can't even agree on what constitutes the Ten.

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brunumb wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:37 pm
Based on the behaviour of many, it doesn't matter to those Christians either. Oh, wait. No True Christian............ :P
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Tcg wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:48 pm
Not all unbelievers have concluded that God doesn't exist. Many are quite simply not convinced god/gods exist.
Well, according to Christianity, man is simply without excuse for not being convinced...and there is no distinction between the atheist and the agnostic.
Another major flaw with your post is that some who lack belief in god/gods still consider that at least some of the content of the Bible contains moral wisdom.
Then the question shouldn't have anything to do with God, but just the commandments themselves.
Beyond that, there is no harm in curiosity or asking questions that one finds interesting.

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We_Are_VENOM wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:33 pm
brunumb wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:37 pm
Based on the behaviour of many, it doesn't matter to those Christians either. Oh, wait. No True Christian............ :P
Okkkk. Still trying to figure out why Christian theology continues to plague the minds of unbelievers.
Why don't you go sit in your church and pray for guidance. Maybe God will help you figure it out.
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Re: Ten Commandments

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We_Are_VENOM wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:47 pm
Tcg wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:48 pm
Not all unbelievers have concluded that God doesn't exist. Many are quite simply not convinced god/gods exist.
Well, according to Christianity, man is simply without excuse for not being convinced...and there is no distinction between the atheist and the agnostic.
Why should we care what Christianity has to say on the matter? First demonstrate that it is true and you might have a point.
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We_Are_VENOM wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:33 pm Okkkk. Still trying to figure out why Christian theology continues to plague the minds of unbelievers.
Cause it plagues the courts of the seculars.
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We_Are_VENOM wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:47 pm
Tcg wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:48 pm
Beyond that, there is no harm in curiosity or asking questions that one finds interesting.

Tcg
If you live your life without God, then getting too much in depth as it pertains to the laws and requirements of a God that you dont believe in...is suspect.
Given the high likelihood that we all live our life without God, it is quite a curiosity to hear the explanations of those who take a leap of faith and accept the existence of the unevidenced. There is nothing suspect about this curiosity.


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We_Are_VENOM wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:33 pm
brunumb wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:37 pm
Based on the behaviour of many, it doesn't matter to those Christians either. Oh, wait. No True Christian............ :P
Okkkk. Still trying to figure out why Christian theology continues to plague the minds of unbelievers.
Plague? Not at all. This is like wondering why when the circus came to town people couldn't take their eyes off it. They couldn't because it was fascinating.


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We_Are_VENOM wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:33 pm
brunumb wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:37 pm
Based on the behaviour of many, it doesn't matter to those Christians either. Oh, wait. No True Christian............ :P
Okkkk. Still trying to figure out why Christian theology continues to plague the minds of unbelievers.
No plague, but ENTERTAINMENT . . . . Well, that and its players of course.


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