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If you disagree with your faith's views on things like women's rights, LGBTQ+ issues, race issues, etc., is this the best thing to do, or is there another way you can stay in your faith (rather or not you stay in your 'church') and still be a champion to these issues, or is this the best way?
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Re: Leaving the faith for societal reasons acceptable or is there another way?
Post #11First off, your religion is Christianity. JWism is not a separate religion but rather a branch, one amongst many, of Christianity. And no, I did not imply that your branch of Christianity disfellowships (what an odd tern) those who choose to leave your branch of Christianity.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sun Dec 26, 2021 4:41 amIf by that you are implying that Jehovahs Witnesses shun/ disfellowship members because they choose to leave our religion that is incorrect.
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Post #12Line 1: Excellent. Thank you for posting that.
Line 2: I have come across people that mistakenly believe that is JW policy.
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Post #13You are the one who has introduced what you are claiming is a mistaken belief.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sun Dec 26, 2021 5:04 amLine 2: I have come across people that mistakenly believe that is JW policy.
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Post #14Tcg wrote: ↑Sun Dec 26, 2021 5:08 amYou are the one who has introduced what you are claiming is a mistaken belief.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sun Dec 26, 2021 5:04 amLine 2: I have come across people that mistakenly believe that is JW policy.
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Post #15Line 3: Please verify that it has been settled.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sun Dec 26, 2021 5:15 amTcg wrote: ↑Sun Dec 26, 2021 5:08 amYou are the one who has introduced what you are claiming is a mistaken belief.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sun Dec 26, 2021 5:04 amLine 2: I have come across people that mistakenly believe that is JW policy.
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Re: Leaving the faith for societal reasons acceptable or is there another way?
Post #16Yes that seems to me like the obvious course of action. Imho, one should of course not join at all until one is aware of the groups religious teachings but if it takes a turn on fundamentals which one cannot support, one solution would be to leave.1213 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:51 pmI would also resign from a group that I don't agree with.nobspeople wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:02 am ...If you disagree with your faith's views on things like women's rights, LGBTQ+ issues, race issues, etc., is this the best thing to do, or is there another way you can stay in your faith (rather or not you stay in your 'church') and still be a champion to these issues, or is this the best way?
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Re: Leaving the faith for societal reasons acceptable or is there another way?
Post #17Or...maybe they should join and try to change that particular POV(s)?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:06 amYes that seems to me like the obvious course of action. Imho, one should of course not join at all until one is aware of the groups religious teachings but if it takes a turn on fundamentals which one cannot support, one solution would be to leave.1213 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:51 pmI would also resign from a group that I don't agree with.nobspeople wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:02 am ...If you disagree with your faith's views on things like women's rights, LGBTQ+ issues, race issues, etc., is this the best thing to do, or is there another way you can stay in your faith (rather or not you stay in your 'church') and still be a champion to these issues, or is this the best way?
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Re: Leaving the faith for societal reasons acceptable or is there another way?
Post #18Yes that is of course another option although it seems somewhat "underhanded" to join a religion that with the sole purpose of changing it. I say "underhanded" since I would imagine few groups would permit a person that openly admitted such motives to join in the first place (that certainly would be the case for my own). In short I imagine such a strategy would demand a certain degree of duplicity.nobspeople wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:59 am
Or...maybe they should join and try to change that particular POV(s)?
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Post #19One's 'underhand-ness' is another's attempt at bettering, maybe. After all, it's all about beliefs and faith, not data and facts. Beliefs can change over time.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:57 amYes that is of course another option although it seems somewhat "underhanded" to join a religion that with the sole purpose of changing it. I say "underhanded" since I would imagine few groups would permit a person that opening admitted such motives to join in the first place. That certainly would be the case for my own.nobspeople wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:59 am
Or...maybe they should join and try to change that particular POV(s)?
I'd think if an organization is set on 'finding the truth' and the like they'd be open to potential changes - christianity today isn't what it was when it started (ie changed).
After all, it's rather pompous (IMO) for an organization to say they and only they know the real truth as religions and beliefs are about learning and bettering one's self (or should be I suspect) as well as pleasing their god and, in some cased, getting an eternal reward (and some cases, punishing those that disagree openly).
Belief is a powerful thing that makes some people do some....interesting things
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Post #20Yes absolutely, but one usually joins a religion as it stands at the moment of joining. If one disagree with what said group views as the fundamental tenets of the faith then it would be honest to say so and see if they still will accept you. Or wait until it comes around to your view. Anyway, if all is fair in love, war and religion it comes down to to making whatever choices one is comfortable with.nobspeople wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:02 pm Beliefs can change over time. I'd think if an organization is set on 'finding the truth' and the like they'd be open to potential changes...
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