Does covid show there is no god or god intervention?

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Does covid show there is no god or god intervention?

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Men of god die from Covid after chastising it and its potential
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/01/media/ma ... index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion ... ronavirus/

It seems these people (and these aren't the only ones), making such a public statement of faith would, if they falter, show god to be weak, their faith to be misplaced and or god being absent and or not caring.

These kind of things aren't 'new' - they've been happening for centuries: man of god makes a claim with his faith and then succumbs to what he was chastising.

Meshach Shadrach and Abednego seemed to 'have it together' so what's going on since then?

For discussion:
Why do you think god allows these public statements of faith to happen and then, fall from grace so readily? Surely god knows this makes him and his church look weak or, at the worst, showing him not to be real or caring enough to do something about it.
Or does god only 'work in the shadows' in ways not to glorify him and his abilities (even though jesus is said to have held large gatherings showing his abilities at times)? And, if so, how is that helpful to his cause among the masses?
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nobspeople wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:30 am Men of god die from Covid after chastising it and its potential
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/01/media/ma ... index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion ... ronavirus/

It seems these people (and these aren't the only ones), making such a public statement of faith would, if they falter, show god to be weak, their faith to be misplaced and or god being absent and or not caring.
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Why do you think god allows these public statements of faith to happen and then, fall from grace so readily? Surely god knows this makes him and his church look weak or, at the worst, showing him not to be real or caring enough to do something about it.
Or does god only 'work in the shadows' in ways not to glorify him and his abilities (even though jesus is said to have held large gatherings showing his abilities at times)? And, if so, how is that helpful to his cause among the masses?
I think this has too many unknown things for to say how it is. For example, does the virus even exist really, were they actually killed by doctors that work for vaccine companies that don’t like if people don’t submit to this medical tyranny? By what I see, the probability to die for “covid” is much higher for those who are publicly against the covid fascism and that is disturbing.

But, if we accept that the virus is real and some people die for it, why would it be any problem for people that know most people die anyway and there are far greater causes of death than covid? For example here in Finland person had over 2 times greater risk to die in traffic accident than for covid, in year 2020 (When we had no vaccines and almost half year went without much masks). Why should covid be held special in this?

If we speak only about person relying on God, then it really does not matter what was the cause. And it may look bad for the God, if his followers fail. In Biblical point of view, it is wrong, when the focus is on earthly matters, because:

…fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell…
Matt. 10:28-31

…"Therefore I tell you, don't be anxious for your life, what you will eat, nor yet for your body, what you will wear. Life is more than food, and the body is more than clothing… …For the nations of the world seek after all of these things, but your Father knows that you need these things. But seek God's Kingdom, and all these things will be added to you.
Luke 12:22-31

For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, and whoever will lose his life for my sake will find it.
Matt. 16:25

I believe God can protect and heal, but, in Biblical point of view, for a disciple of Jesus (“Christian”) the focus should be on higher matters, because this “life” is not meant to last forever. This is why, getting sick and dying should not be a problem for those who follow Jesus. Even Jesus died. If one is loyal to Jesus and trusts to him, it is not a problem, it is only the new beginning. Perhaps those people should also focus more on this spiritual side, rather than to the physical side.

If there would be a promise of eternal life right now, without any problems, then this kind of things could cause God look weak.

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This could be interesting. This is of course the well -trampled battleground of 'the problem of evil'. Which is in two prongs of argument - the morality (never mind feasibility) of hellthreat, and two, why does God allow evil. Which is 'why does God alow stuff like this to happen?' It has been an ongoing tussle of excusing that God cannot intervene as that would nullify Faith to God does clearly intervene in very identifiable ways, such as killing a lot of godfearing people in the the southeast because Gay people were allowed to marry in the northwest. Or the destruction of a lot of people in Asia because God just wanted us to know he could do such things. But not to extent of knocking Omigrodd on the head especially if He inspired some religiouse or Minister to say he was told in a dream that God would do it.

No, no. To do anything so obvious as that would nullify Faith (by Definition - believing something without any decent evidence for it...believing something for good reason... :| anyone can do that) and so it's necessary that God does nothing that would not look like it could go down that way if He wasn't there at all.

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TRANSPONDER wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:36 pm This could be interesting. This is of course the well -trampled battleground of 'the problem of evil'. Which is in two prongs of argument - the morality (never mind feasibility) of hellthreat, and two, why does God allow evil. Which is 'why does God alow stuff like this to happen?' It has been an ongoing tussle of excusing that God cannot intervene as that would nullify Faith to God does clearly intervene in very identifiable ways, such as killing a lot of godfearing people in the the southeast because Gay people were allowed to marry in the northwest. Or the destruction of a lot of people in Asia because God just wanted us to know he could do such things. But not to extent of knocking Omigrodd on the head especially if He inspired some religiouse or Minister to say he was told in a dream that God would do it.

No, no. To do anything so obvious as that would nullify Faith (by Definition - believing something without any decent evidence for it...believing something for good reason... :| anyone can do that) and so it's necessary that God does nothing that would not look like it could go down that way if He wasn't there at all.
If I were god I'd make sure I'd do things that people knew and could attribute directly to me (well, that and make sure those bad drivers, animal and children abusers and just random jerks are removed from society permanently.
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1213 wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:27 pm But, if we accept that the virus is real and some people die for it, why would it be any problem for people that know most people die anyway and there are far greater causes of death than covid? For example here in Finland person had over 2 times greater risk to die in traffic accident than for covid, in year 2020 (When we had no vaccines and almost half year went without much masks). Why should covid be held special in this?
Why be concerned about anything at all in that case? Close all hospitals, remove all health and safety precautions, turn off traffic lights, ban all medication. It doesn't matter because everyone is going to die anyway. Just let people die from whatever takes God's fancy. Oh dear Zeus. :(
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brunumb wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:22 pm
1213 wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:27 pm But, if we accept that the virus is real and some people die for it, why would it be any problem for people that know most people die anyway and there are far greater causes of death than covid? For example here in Finland person had over 2 times greater risk to die in traffic accident than for covid, in year 2020 (When we had no vaccines and almost half year went without much masks). Why should covid be held special in this?
Why be concerned about anything at all in that case? Close all hospitals, remove all health and safety precautions, turn off traffic lights, ban all medication. It doesn't matter because everyone is going to die anyway. Just let people die from whatever takes God's fancy. Oh dear Zeus. :(
If Jan 6th had succeeded, that's what the US would be doing right now. Dying in droves and praising God.

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I believe these vaccines are nothing more than a very small dose of the virus. This small dose activates your antibody defense.

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nobspeople wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:30 am Men of god die from Covid after chastising it and its potential
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/01/media/ma ... index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion ... ronavirus/

It seems these people (and these aren't the only ones), making such a public statement of faith would, if they falter, show god to be weak, their faith to be misplaced and or god being absent and or not caring.

These kind of things aren't 'new' - they've been happening for centuries: man of god makes a claim with his faith and then succumbs to what he was chastising.

Meshach Shadrach and Abednego seemed to 'have it together' so what's going on since then?

For discussion:
Why do you think god allows these public statements of faith to happen and then, fall from grace so readily? Surely god knows this makes him and his church look weak or, at the worst, showing him not to be real or caring enough to do something about it.
Or does god only 'work in the shadows' in ways not to glorify him and his abilities (even though jesus is said to have held large gatherings showing his abilities at times)? And, if so, how is that helpful to his cause among the masses?
We live in a fallen world where people (even believers) get sick and some even die. Such is life.
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Any comments on what I found?
http://www.universalknowledge.net/id16.html
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thomasdixon wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 9:26 pm I believe these vaccines are nothing more than a very small dose of the virus. This small dose activates your antibody defense.

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What evidence do you have in support of that belief? It only takes a very small dose of the virus to result in infection and subsequent illness. Investigate further and you should find that the vaccine does not consist of the virus itself.
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