Babylon the Great, commonly known as the Whore of Babylon.
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What is it? What does it mean? Is it a place, person, action? How does it pertain to modern christianity? Or does it?
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Re: Babylon the Great
Post #11This is your only mention of New York. You don't provide any support of your supposition. How would the author of Revelation have any concept of New York (not sure if you mean the state or the city) which wouldn't exist until many centuries later?
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Re: Babylon the Great
Post #12God works in mysterious ways!
Seriously though, if god was involved, surely, this wouldn't be hard to do if it was really NY(C?). After all, a talking and burning bush that wasn't consumed....I mean....yeah...
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Re: Babylon the Great
Post #13In this case it is mysterious because there is no mention of NY or NYC. Let's be real now, the author couldn't have had knowledge of either.nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:15 amGod works in mysterious ways!
Seriously though, if god was involved, surely, this wouldn't be hard to do if it was really NY(C?). After all, a talking and burning bush that wasn't consumed....I mean....yeah...
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Re: Babylon the Great
Post #14Totally agree. But then again, I don't believe in the modern christian god. But that's not to say others don't. And this god they believe in can do anything (some would say).Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:22 amIn this case it is mysterious because there is no mention of NY or NYC. Let's be real now, the author couldn't have had knowledge of either.nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:15 amGod works in mysterious ways!
Seriously though, if god was involved, surely, this wouldn't be hard to do if it was really NY(C?). After all, a talking and burning bush that wasn't consumed....I mean....yeah...
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Re: Babylon the Great
Post #15Will sure, but if a god were involved, one would expect a much clearer declaration that NY or NYC were being described.nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:27 amTotally agree. But then again, I don't believe in the modern christian god. But that's not to say others don't. And this god they believe in can do anything (some would say).Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:22 amIn this case it is mysterious because there is no mention of NY or NYC. Let's be real now, the author couldn't have had knowledge of either.nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:15 amGod works in mysterious ways!
Seriously though, if god was involved, surely, this wouldn't be hard to do if it was really NY(C?). After all, a talking and burning bush that wasn't consumed....I mean....yeah...
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Re: Babylon the Great
Post #16Absolutely. I've often asked such things to believers and have been told 'God only tells you what you need to know'.Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:33 amWill sure, but if a god were involved, one would expect a much clearer declaration that NY or NYC were being described.nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:27 amTotally agree. But then again, I don't believe in the modern christian god. But that's not to say others don't. And this god they believe in can do anything (some would say).Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:22 amIn this case it is mysterious because there is no mention of NY or NYC. Let's be real now, the author couldn't have had knowledge of either.nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:15 amGod works in mysterious ways!
Seriously though, if god was involved, surely, this wouldn't be hard to do if it was really NY(C?). After all, a talking and burning bush that wasn't consumed....I mean....yeah...
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Convenient.
But that's christianity: selfish, convenient, easy and unprovable in regards to its claims.
Why so many like it is obvious. Why it's declining in some places, is surprising.
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Re: Babylon the Great
Post #17Perhaps folks are realizing that the claims simply don't add up. Sure, the promise of a rosy future sounds great and perhaps some even relish the idea of the "evil ones" being annihilated, but is there any reason to believe this represents reality.nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:38 amAbsolutely. I've often asked such things to believers and have been told 'God only tells you what you need to know'.Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:33 amWill sure, but if a god were involved, one would expect a much clearer declaration that NY or NYC were being described.nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:27 amTotally agree. But then again, I don't believe in the modern christian god. But that's not to say others don't. And this god they believe in can do anything (some would say).Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:22 amIn this case it is mysterious because there is no mention of NY or NYC. Let's be real now, the author couldn't have had knowledge of either.nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:15 amGod works in mysterious ways!
Seriously though, if god was involved, surely, this wouldn't be hard to do if it was really NY(C?). After all, a talking and burning bush that wasn't consumed....I mean....yeah...
Tcg
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Convenient.
But that's christianity: selfish, convenient, easy and unprovable in regards to its claims.
Why so many like it is obvious. Why it's declining in some places, is surprising.
Tcg
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- wiploc
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Re: Babylon the Great
Post #18In some places, their realization is probably one good reason.Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:45 amPerhaps folks are realizing that the claims simply don't add up. Sure, the promise of a rosy future sounds great and perhaps some even relish the idea of the "evil ones" being annihilated, but is there any reason to believe this represents reality.nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:38 amAbsolutely. I've often asked such things to believers and have been told 'God only tells you what you need to know'.Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:33 amWill sure, but if a god were involved, one would expect a much clearer declaration that NY or NYC were being described.nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:27 amTotally agree. But then again, I don't believe in the modern christian god. But that's not to say others don't. And this god they believe in can do anything (some would say).Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:22 amIn this case it is mysterious because there is no mention of NY or NYC. Let's be real now, the author couldn't have had knowledge of either.nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:15 amGod works in mysterious ways!
Seriously though, if god was involved, surely, this wouldn't be hard to do if it was really NY(C?). After all, a talking and burning bush that wasn't consumed....I mean....yeah...
Tcg
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Convenient.
But that's christianity: selfish, convenient, easy and unprovable in regards to its claims.
Why so many like it is obvious. Why it's declining in some places, is surprising.
Tcg
Maybe religious leaders should make their religion (christianity or whatnot) even easier and friendlier. After all, there's money and influence to be had!
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Re: Babylon the Great
Post #19I think Vatican is more probable, fits better to the description, but, I think the description Bible gives fits in some ways also to New York. For example, the "The merchants who sold these things, who became rich from her." Rev 18:15 is fitting.
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Re: Babylon the Great
Post #20This doesn't explain how someone who wrote centuries before the establishment of NY or was it NYC? you didn't specify, would have any knowledge of NY or NYC.
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- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
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