Babylon the Great

[nobspeople]

Babylon the Great, commonly known as the Whore of Babylon.

For discussion
What is it? What does it mean? Is it a place, person, action? How does it pertain to modern christianity? Or does it?

[JehovahsWitness]

Thank you historia

In my experience most people believe Babylon The Great is

1) The Catholic Church
2) One or more Roman Emperors
3) The Roman Empire

Jehovah's Witness are unique in that we are the only people that hold that BTG represents all false religion. I think this is essentially because we takes a wholistic approach to bible understanding. Thus when there is an enigma or something difficult to interpret (of which there are an abundance in Revelation) we alone go outside that book to other bible books to solve the puzzle.

Babylon cannot be any of the three other options because all the visions of Revelation are PROPHETIC (not historic) in nature. The fulfillment of the visions are in or around "the Lords day " which began in 1914 long after the fall of the Roman empire. The Roman Catholic church does not have global domination as she shares that with Islam, Budhism and other religious organisations.

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RELIGION , BABYLON THE GREAT and ... THE BOOK OF REVELATION

[Difflugia]

Thus when there is an enigma or something difficult to interpret (of which there are an abundance in Revelation) we alone go outside that book to other bible books to solve the puzzle.

You can't be serious! Have you never read any theological commentary written by someone other than a Witness? The absolute core of conservative theology is treating every word in the Bible as meaningful and looking for even the most tenuous connections between different biblical contexts, books, and authors. While Jehovah's Witnesses certainly do that and a number of their conclusions are definitely unique, Witnesses can hardly be described as being alone in that kind of exegesis, even in the most self-serving, metaphorical sense.

[JehovahsWitness]

The absolute core of conservative theology is treating every word in the Bible as meaningful and looking for even the most tenuous connections between different biblical contexts, books, and authors.

Well if thats what they do, I haven't missed much. We don't look for "tenuous connections" but for the meaning of key concepts. In any case (returning to the OP) , we alone have come to the conclusion as to the identity of Babylon the Great - unless you can produce evidence to the contrary.



JW

[JoeyKnothead]

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We don't look for "tenuous connections" but for the meaning of key concepts. In any case (returning to the OP) , we alone have come to the conclusion as to the identity of Babylon the Great - unless you can produce evidence to the contrary.

That's kinda the beauty of the bible, a book so full of contradictions and ad hom attacks against others - in its pages folks can find their own Babylon.

And then declare they alone found the real one.

[2ndpillar2]

Babylon the Great, commonly known as the Whore of Babylon.

For discussion
What is it? What does it mean? Is it a place, person, action? How does it pertain to modern christianity? Or does it?

The "whore of Babylon" would be the description given by the Protestant reformers to the Catholic church. Babylon the Great, would be the mother of the "whore", the "Harlots", the daughters of Babylon the Great (Revelation 17:5). That would identify the Protestant church as simply daughters of the "whore", one of the harlots, the Catholic church. According to Scripture, like mother like daughter. According to Revelation 17:3, the "woman", Babylon the Great, sits on the beast with 7 heads. According to Revelation 17:9-10, Revelation was written during the period of the 6th head, which according to history, would be the realm of the Augustus Caesars. The term Babylon would refer to the head of gold, Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon, whose church had a triad of main gods, of which Bel was adopted by Judah when they sacrificed their children to Bel by fire. Rome would refer to the legs of iron, and the feet of iron and clay, in which the seed of Rome was mixed with the seed of the middle eastern Arabs. We are now in the realm of the 8th head of the beast (Revelation 17:11), which is a mix of the seed of men with Rome. "Christianity" is simply daughters of Babylon the Great, not Babylon the Great herself. She sits on the beast with 7 heads, which at the moment is best imagined in the form of the Christian emperors being crowned by the Pope throughout recent history. Their authority comes from the "dragon"/devil (Revelation 13:4). Their end, when the pope falls (Isaiah 22:25) occurs during "in that day", the "day of the LORD", when the nations/Gentiles will be judged (Joel 2:31 - Joel 3:2), and Judah and Jerusalem "revived".

[JehovahsWitness]

That's kinda the beauty of the bible, a book so full of contradictions and ad hom attacks against others - in its pages folks can find their own Babylon.

And then declare they alone found the real one.

Well, when the United Nations destroys Babylon (all false - organised - religion) the Jehovah's Witness understanding will be vindicated.

Watch this space!


JW

[JoeyKnothead]

That's kinda the beauty of the bible, a book so full of contradictions and ad hom attacks against others - in its pages folks can find their own Babylon.

And then declare they alone found the real one.

Well, when the United Nations destroys Babylon (all organised religion) the Jehovah's Witness understanding will be vindicated.

Your religion's organized as well. So Let's hope the UN does a thorough job

Watch this space!

We've been watching for 2000 some odd years now.

At some point it's prudent to reel in the lines and find a more productive pond.

[JehovahsWitness]

Your religion's organized as well. So Let's hope the UN does a thorough job

As explained above Babylon is we believe all FALSE religion. (see edit). As for the time frame, the UNITED NATION has only existed since 1945 and so the clock has only really started ticking since then.

All Jehovah Witnesses have to say for the scarlet harlot is .... tictock,tictock!!






JW

[2ndpillar2]

Your religion's organized as well. So Let's hope the UN does a thorough job

As explained above Babylon is we believe al, FALSE religion. (see edit). As for the time frame, the UNITED NATION has only existed since 1945 and so the clock has only really started ticking since then.

All Jehovah Witnesses have to say for the scarlet harlot is .... tictock,tictock!!



JW

The "woman", Babylon the Great, sits on a scarlet beast. She is not the "scarlet beast" (Revelation 17:3). She is simply clothed in "purple and scarlet and adorned with gold and precious stones" (Revelation 17:4), and full of abominations. This would specifically be pointed at the pope, but indirectly at the Catholic church's daughters, the Protestant churches. As for religions, the JWs are among the daughters of the Roman Catholic church, which would make her a "harlot" daughter as well (Revelation 17:5)

[2ndpillar2]

That's kinda the beauty of the bible, a book so full of contradictions and ad hom attacks against others - in its pages folks can find their own Babylon.

And then declare they alone found the real one.

Well, when the United Nations destroys Babylon (all false - organised - religion) the Jehovah's Witness understanding will be vindicated.

Watch this space!

JW

The destruction of Babylon will not be by the hand of the UN. It is portrayed to be destroyed by a strong angel per Revelation 18:21, and that will include the downfall of the JWs, as a whole, as well. They have the mark of the beast as well as most of the other "Christian" religions. (Revelation 14:10).