Babylon the Great

[nobspeople]

Babylon the Great, commonly known as the Whore of Babylon.

For discussion
What is it? What does it mean? Is it a place, person, action? How does it pertain to modern christianity? Or does it?

[JehovahsWitness]

As explained above Babylon is we believe all FALSE religion. (see edit). As for the time frame, the UNITED NATION has only existed since 1945 and so the clock has only really started ticking since then.

All Jehovah Witnesses have to say for the scarlet harlot is .... tictock,tictock!!

The "woman", Babylon the Great, sits on a scarlet beast. She is not the "scarlet beast" (Revelation 17:3).

Did I say she was the scarlet beast? We believe the scarlet beast represents the UNITED NATIONS.

SINCE WHEN COULD WE EXPECT BABYLON TO BE DESTROYED?

[NOTE: Further regarding TIMEFRAME: As mentioned, the potential for the destruction has only existed (in the body of the UNITED NATIONS, since its "creaton" in 1945. In 1943 our organisation made it clear we believed the system would continue for some time after the 1940s and that the end was not at that time imminent.

In short, Jehovah's Witneses have not been expecting Babylon to be destroyed for 2000 years, but we came to understand her destruction was for well after the 1940's, preceded (as has proved to be the case) by a gradual reduction in influence and overall membership]





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DANIEL'S PROPHECIES , .THE SECOND COMING * and ... THE BOOK OF REVELATION

*The Return of Christ

[mgb]

I think the book of revelation is generic. It applies to all ages. There are always antichrists, false prophets, great beasts, wars and so on.

[JoeyKnothead]

Your religion's organized as well. So Let's hope the UN does a thorough job

As explained above Babylon is we believe all FALSE religion. (see edit). As for the time frame, the UNITED NATION has only existed since 1945 and so the clock has only really started ticking since then.

All Jehovah Witnesses have to say for the scarlet harlot is .... tictock,tictock!!

Has a religious person ever made a bible based prediction that came true?

Violent imagery is often associated with mental health issues. Negative'ns.

[JehovahsWitness]

FIRSTLY, PLEASE NOTE I make no claims here, I am simply expressing what I believe based on the bible. Please take all sentences to be preceeded by the premise "I believe ..."

Has a religious person ever made a bible based prediction that came true?

Humans predictions are hit and miss, biblical predictions I believe come from God who is, in my opinion always right.



Returning to the OP, whether the Jehovah's Witnesses understanding is accurate and if the UNITED NATIONS do indeed destroy the world's religions, it will be confirmation we alone properly understood biblical prophecy.

Time will tell,



JW



ps: If you've read the account, you'll know that BTG comes to a most violent end but that is nothing to compare to the violence she has perpetuated over millenium. History, like prophecy, is not for the squeamish.


All posts I write represent my personal faith based beliefs as one of Jehovah's Witnesses

[JoeyKnothead]

FIRSTLY, PLEASE NOTE I make no claims here, I am simply expressing what I believe based on the bible. Please take all sentences to be preceeded by the premise "I believe ..."

It's understood so many Christian beliefs're not grounded in fact, or truth, or any combination thereof.

Has a religious person ever made a bible based prediction that came true?

Humans predictions are hit and miss, biblical predictions I believe come from God who is, in my opinion always right.

You can't even show he's there to have him an opinion ya can't show he does.

Returning to the OP, whether the Jehovah's Witnesses understanding is accurate and if the UNITED NATIONS do indeed destroy the world's religions, it will be confirmation we alone properly understood biblical prophecy.

Time will tell.

Again, we've been waiting two thousand and a bunch more years, and ain't seen one god yet.

Maybe if all the end timers'd hold their breath.

I notice you had nothing to say about my comments regarding your use of violent imagery to tell your tale. And its association with negative mental states.

Alas, we'll see in these various debates so many theists who simply ignore anything that'd put shame to their sacred beliefs

As they promote a god whose violence is on, well, a biblical scale

[JehovahsWitness]

I notice you had nothing to say about my comments regarding your use of violent imagery to tell your tale.

I notice you have nothing to say about why we have not been expecting BTG to be destroyed for 2000 years. We both then have noticed content but mine, at least is on topic. (If you read my postscript (which I am confident you did), you saw that I did indeed make a comment related to the image; if you find it unduly shocking or explicit, feel free to report it)


JW

[JehovahsWitness]

The destruction of Babylon will not be by the hand of the UN. It is portrayed to be destroyed by a strong angel per Revelation 18:21 ...

No, if you read the account carefully, the angel uses a millstone as an object lesson*, it doesn't destroy Babylon The Great.



* OBJECT LESSON : A striking practical example of a principle or ideal.

John is quite clear how and by whose "hand" the Harlot meets her end ...

(WARNING! I am about to post a bible passage which some may find triggering or distressingly graphic in nature, if you are of a particularly sensitive disposition you may wish to look away now... )

REVELATION 17:16 - New International Version

The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

[JoeyKnothead]

I notice you had nothing to say about my comments regarding your use of violent imagery to tell your tale.

I notice you however have nothing to say about why we have not been expecting BTG to be destroyed for 2000 years.

Scare tactics abound in the bible. It's not shocking at all to see you employ the same tactic in an effort to get folks to believe in your religious claims (excuse me, 'beliefs').

"At some future date, but don't it beat all, I ain't got me my calendar at the moment, that I could tell ya'll when".

We both then have noticed content but mine, at least is on topic.

I want you all to give JehovahsWitness a nice round of applause on becoming the newest member of Team Moderator

And for the ability to declare I don't even know how my comments are on topic or not. A truly remarkable feat of mind reading.

(If you read my postscript (which I am confident you did), you saw that I did indeed make a comment related to the image; if you find it unduly shocking or explicit, feel free to report it)

I didn't read your postscript, as I've come to expect it to be more of your "I can't me put no truth to nothing, but y'all ought'n pick on me about it" disclaimer.

I wouldn't ever want the image removed though, as it shows the violence Christians hope to visit on "false religions" <read, "all them religions that ain't them mine!"

[2ndpillar2]

The destruction of Babylon will not be by the hand of the UN. It is portrayed to be destroyed by a strong angel per Revelation 18:21 ...

No, if you read the account carefully, the angel uses a millstone as an object lesson*, it doesn't destroy Babylon The Great.



* OBJECT LESSON : A striking practical example of a principle or ideal.

John is quite clear how and by whose "hand" the Harlot meets her end ...

(WARNING! I am about to post a bible passage which some may find triggering or distressingly graphic in nature, if you are of a particularly sensitive disposition you may wish to look away now... )

REVELATION 17:16 - New International Version

The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

The 8th head of the beast and his 10 horns (Rev 17:16) are not the U.S. or Britain, nor the UN. Revelation 18:21 reads, "And a strong angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, 'Thus will Babylon the great city be thrown down with violence, and will not be found any longer." The throw down of Babylon is imaged by a strong angel throwing down a great mill stone, not being thrown down by the U.S. and Britain. There is a difference between a strong angel and a head of the beast.

[JehovahsWitness]

The 8th head of the beast and his 10 horns (Rev 17:16) are not the U.S. or Britain, nor the UN.

Well we do not believe the "ten horns" of the beast represent the United States or Britain. Listen, you are welcome to your own interpretation, I have read them and suspect I'm the only one in this thread who has, given the lack of responses the evoke. Your interpretations are extremly dense and somewhat confusing but if you are happy with them, enjoy!

I choose to disagree with your take although I thank you for raising points I can thereafter post something about.



JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

Does an angel destroy Babylon The Great?
viewtopic.php?p=1066124#p1066124

Can we place the destruction of Babylon in some kind of timeframe?
viewtopic.php?p=1066098#p1066098

Which religions are part of Babylon the Great?
viewtopic.php?p=1038821#p1038821

Who or what are BTG's daughters?
viewtopic.php?p=1065555#p1065555

Who Is the Antichrist?
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