Difference between a god (including God) and...

[nobspeople]

Most believe gods (including your God) are immortal 'beings' that have existed 'forever' (even though that isn't a concept humanity can fully grasp, which I find amusing but that's something for another time), created most, if not, everything, and is in control (in a sense) of everything (even things humanity doesn't know about - again: amusing ). Some gods have the power to grant immortality in a special, good place (ie heaven) or punish in a bad place (ie hell), etc (though this isn't a complete list as what gods are and can do can (and does often) vary from culture to culture, location to location, time to time and even person to person).

For discussion:
So what's the difference between a god and a superior, mortal being (or society of beings) that is more advanced than humanity to you?
How does this play into your belief (or non-belief) in your life? Or does it not matter?

[JehovahsWitness]

Scenario 2: A supreme being created our universe, but either does not care for humanity at all or only allowed humanity to torture us as a whim. A lesser but caring being is attempting to help humanity.
Where does the worship rightly go? Does it fall apart?

Well Knight, before I comment on your second scenerio please note the following. ..

FIRSTLY PLEASE NOTE I make no claims here, I am simply expressing what I believe based on the bible. Please take all sentences to be preceeded by the premise "I believe ..."

Are you alright with this?

[ * ]I usually use conditionals ( ... or suppositions, hypothesis etc ) when discussing God in this subforum in order to respect forum guidelines while also avoiding making any absolute claims in this regard.This hopefully avoids being sidetracked by challenges to prove God's existence when that is not the point of discussion.

NOTE All posts I write represent my personal faith based beliefs as one of Jehovah's Witnesses

[JehovahsWitness]

I think any answer would be helpful. If you want to make it Bible -based that is up to you

Well, let me begin by stating ...

FIRSTLY PLEASE NOTE I make no claims here, I am simply expressing what I believe based on the bible. Please take all sentences to be preceeded by the premise "I believe ..."

If there was a Supreme Creator, He could distinguish himself from a mere mortal by (1) creating life and (2) being immortal. Both of which the bible [ * ]testifies YHWH has done.

[ * ]I usually use conditionals ( ... or suppositions, hypothesis etc ) when discussing God in this subforum in order to respect forum guidelines while also avoiding making any absolute claims in this regard.This hopefully avoids being sidetracked by challenges to prove God's existence when that is not the point of discussion.

[ * ] I am ONLY mentioning the bible to show what Christianity says in line with subforum guidelines, not to prove that a statement or story therein is true. ​I am not presenting the bible as authorative or proof of truth and have no intention to add an argument to that end in this subforum See LINKS for details: viewtopic.php?p=213491#p213491

NOTE All posts I write represent my personal faith based beliefs as one of Jehovah's Witnesses

[We_Are_VENOM]

For discussion:
So what's the difference between a god and a superior, mortal being (or society of beings) that is more advanced than humanity to you?
How does this play into your belief (or non-belief) in your life? Or does it not matter?

It does not matter.

Next..

[Tcg]

If there was a Supreme Creator, He could distinguish himself from a mere mortal by (1) creating life and (2) being immortal. Both of which the bible [ * ]testifies YHWH has done.

Yes, hypotheticals are interesting I suppose. But, can you provide any reason to conclude this one is truthful?


Tcg

[TRANSPONDER]

I think any answer would be helpful. If you want to make it Bible -based that is up to you

Well, let me begin by stating ...

FIRSTLY PLEASE NOTE I make no claims here, I am simply expressing what I believe based on the bible. Please take all sentences to be preceeded by the premise "I believe ..."

If there was a Supreme Creator, He could distinguish himself from a mere mortal by (1) creating life and (2) being immortal. Both of which the bible [ * ]testifies YHWH has done.

[ * ]I usually use conditionals ( ... or suppositions, hypothesis etc ) when discussing God in this subforum in order to respect forum guidelines while also avoiding making any absolute claims in this regard.This hopefully avoids being sidetracked by challenges to prove God's existence when that is not the point of discussion.

[ * ] I am ONLY mentioning the bible to show what Christianity says in line with subforum guidelines, not to prove that a statement or story therein is true. ​I am not presenting the bible as authorative or proof of truth and have no intention to add an argument to that end in this subforum See LINKS for details: viewtopic.php?p=213491#p213491

NOTE All posts I write represent my personal faith based beliefs as one of Jehovah's Witnesses

To this and your earlier post. It doesn't matter whether you made such a claim or not. This is the claim of the Bible pointed up with the objections to crediting any such claim.
Bottom line is that a Creator of everything may or may not deserve worship. That's not the point.The point is assuming for sake of argument that a thinking being created everything, why should we assume that the Bible or any other Holy Book tells us about this being let alone which sub - sect we should join in order to express worship?

[JehovahsWitness]

If there was a Supreme Creator, He could distinguish himself from a mere mortal by (1) creating life and (2) being immortal. Both of which the bible [ * ]testifies YHWH has done.

Yes, hypotheticals are interesting I suppose. But, can you provide any reason to conclude this one is truthful?


Tcg

I can provide reasons for why I believe the bible testimony is truthful. But that is a theological question for a theological subforum. I will certainly consider answering that question (if I have not already done so) in the appropriate subforum for discussing beliefs.




JW

[nobspeople]

I wonder how one would make this differentiation if a supreme lifeform impersonated this creator with all the bells and whistles.
Or maybe that's already been done?
There's no supreme creator around that we can ask and verify outside our own minds, wants, needs and beliefs.

Is that a rhetorical question or would you like my bible based answer? I ask because you addressed your post to me.

It was more rhetorical, as a biblically based answer is, to me, as worthless as the bible itself. But thanks for asking.

[Tcg]

If there was a Supreme Creator, He could distinguish himself from a mere mortal by (1) creating life and (2) being immortal. Both of which the bible [ * ]testifies YHWH has done.

Yes, hypotheticals are interesting I suppose. But, can you provide any reason to conclude this one is truthful?


Tcg

I can provide reasons for why I believe the bible testimony is truthful. But that is a theological question for a theological subforum. I will certainly consider answering that question (if I have not already done so) in the appropriate subforum for discussing beliefs.


JW

Your hypothetical was posted in this sub-forum and you regularly post your beliefs here. That is why I asked you about this specific one here.


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

If there was a Supreme Creator, He could distinguish himself from a mere mortal by (1) creating life and (2) being immortal. Both of which the bible [ * ]testifies YHWH has done.

Yes, hypotheticals are interesting I suppose. But, can you provide any reason to conclude this one is truthful?


Tcg

I can provide reasons for why I believe the bible testimony is truthful. But that is a theological question for a theological subforum. I will certainly consider answering that question (if I have not already done so) in the appropriate subforum for discussing beliefs.


JW

Your hypothetical was posted in this sub-forum and you regularly post your beliefs here. That is why I asked you about this specific one here.


Tcg

Thank you for asking. I have provided you with my decision above.

JW

[Tcg]

Thank you for asking. I have provided you with my decision above.

JW

Decision? I don't recall asking you to make a decision. I asked you to support a claim.


Tcg