Typically, christians don't approve of abortion, citing the 'preciousness of life', among other things.
Do these same christians oppose the death penalty? Should they?
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Is it hypocritical to oppose abortion but support the death penalty? Or, like all things christian, you simply ignore one aspect of this faith while holding on tight to another to support your POV?
Is the 'abortion vs. death penalty' thinking (abortion = bad death penalty = good) nothing more than a male dominated religion further suppressing women? Maybe this helps understand why god's considered male and not female?
Right for life - can you have it both ways?
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Re: Right for life - can you have it both ways?
Post #2Only if the baby deserves death penalty. But, if the baby doesn't deserve death penalty, is it ok to sacrifice him anyway so that the parents would get a better life as a reward?nobspeople wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:45 am ...
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Post #3The Catholic Church formally opposes both abortion and the death penalty.nobspeople wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:45 am Typically, christians don't approve of abortion, citing the 'preciousness of life', among other things.
Do these same christians oppose the death penalty? Should they?
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Post #4At Last!Difflugia wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:48 pmThe Catholic Church formally opposes both abortion and the death penalty.nobspeople wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:45 am Typically, christians don't approve of abortion, citing the 'preciousness of life', among other things.
Do these same christians oppose the death penalty? Should they?
It only took the church what, 1,987 years to accomplish. From around 33AD (Death of Christ and the founding of the Church) to 2020 (the year the Fratelli tutti encyclical of Pope Francis was presented), but better late . . . .
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Post #5That's great for them! Though I do wonder why they have such a lock on this and not child molesting priests, but that's another topic.Difflugia wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:48 pmThe Catholic Church formally opposes both abortion and the death penalty.nobspeople wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:45 am Typically, christians don't approve of abortion, citing the 'preciousness of life', among other things.
Do these same christians oppose the death penalty? Should they?
What about the other christian sects?
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Post #6I don't think it is necessarily hypocritical to oppose abortion and support the death penalty. Both are centered in the sanctity of life. Life is so valuable, that you ought not to take it. But if you decide to take it, then you are forfeiting your own right to life. This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with a male dominated religion suppressing women. Nor does it necessarily have anything to do with whether God is considered male or not.nobspeople wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:45 amFor discussion:
Is it hypocritical to oppose abortion but support the death penalty? Or, like all things christian, you simply ignore one aspect of this faith while holding on tight to another to support your POV?
Is the 'abortion vs. death penalty' thinking (abortion = bad death penalty = good) nothing more than a male dominated religion further suppressing women? Maybe this helps understand why god's considered male and not female?
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Post #7Seems to me, if one is into the 'sanctity of life', that means all (human at least) life, no matter what the person did or didn't do. Adding the caveat of 'well, life is so amazing that if you take it we will take yours = justice' is, to me, nonsensical.The Tanager wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 1:09 pmI don't think it is necessarily hypocritical to oppose abortion and support the death penalty. Both are centered in the sanctity of life. Life is so valuable, that you ought not to take it. But if you decide to take it, then you are forfeiting your own right to life. This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with a male dominated religion suppressing women. Nor does it necessarily have anything to do with whether God is considered male or not.nobspeople wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:45 amFor discussion:
Is it hypocritical to oppose abortion but support the death penalty? Or, like all things christian, you simply ignore one aspect of this faith while holding on tight to another to support your POV?
Is the 'abortion vs. death penalty' thinking (abortion = bad death penalty = good) nothing more than a male dominated religion further suppressing women? Maybe this helps understand why god's considered male and not female?
But to each their own.
Frankly, there are too many people on this planet at present anyway, so a reduction wouldn't be a bad thing.
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Re: Right for life - can you have it both ways?
Post #8[Replying to nobspeople in post #1]
So the answer would have to be 'no, it is not'.
To be hypocritical, is to behave in a way that suggests one has higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.Is it hypocritical to oppose abortion but support the death penalty?
So the answer would have to be 'no, it is not'.
I would say that this is a question for psychology.Is the 'abortion vs. death penalty' thinking (abortion = bad death penalty = good) nothing more than a male dominated religion further suppressing women?
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Post #9[Replying to William in post #8]
So when one says 'all life is precious' (aka anti-abortion) then goes on to say 'killing a killer is fine' (death penalty) - or the like - seems, well, rather hypocritical at the very least.
I guess, of course, one can pick-n-choose what defections to accept and believe, what ones to change and what ones to make fit their own paradigm.
Interesting definition of 'hypocrite', there. Where did you find it? The definition I'm accustomed to is "behavior that contradicts what one claims to believe or feel".To be hypocritical, is to behave in a way that suggests one has higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case. So the answer would have to be 'no, it is not'.
So when one says 'all life is precious' (aka anti-abortion) then goes on to say 'killing a killer is fine' (death penalty) - or the like - seems, well, rather hypocritical at the very least.
I guess, of course, one can pick-n-choose what defections to accept and believe, what ones to change and what ones to make fit their own paradigm.
Perhaps. But does that mean one doesn't have an opinion?I would say that this is a question for psychology.
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Post #10[Replying to nobspeople in post #9]
How one feels about what one believes re "the death of an innocent" being different re "the death of the guilty", then to answer the question you put forth;
Online.Interesting definition of 'hypocrite', there. Where did you find it?
Okay - taking that definition, it expands the parameter and includes 'how one feels' in the process.The definition I'm accustomed to is "behavior that contradicts what one claims to believe or feel".
How one feels about what one believes re "the death of an innocent" being different re "the death of the guilty", then to answer the question you put forth;
....the answer would still have to be 'no, it is not'.Is it hypocritical to oppose abortion but support the death penalty?