There are many thing one should know about christianity - some more important than others.
This thread is for both, believers and non. And it's two fold.
For discussion:
1)
What is the ONE (and only 1) thing everyone should know about christianity?
And why?
Is this 'one thing' your opinion or an actual fact?
2) Is this one (1) thing agreeable among all believers (for said believers)?
Is this one (1) thing agreeable among all non-believers?
One thing
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Re: One thing
Post #81[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #79]
belief in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.
If any pretending is [perhaps] going on, then the ones pretending cannot be defined as theists.
They are thus, non-theists pretending to be theists.
[Replying to Tcg in post #80]I suppose there are some who identify as Christian for some reason even if they don't believe in any gods.
theismPerhaps Jesus had a hidden agenda to speak as if he believed in God when he didn't or perhaps those who claimed to write down his words added claims of God for their own agenda.
belief in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.
If any pretending is [perhaps] going on, then the ones pretending cannot be defined as theists.
They are thus, non-theists pretending to be theists.
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Re: One thing
Post #82The Christians I have described are not pretending to be anything. They are unashamedly atheists who also happen to be Christians.William wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:55 pm [Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #79]
[Replying to Tcg in post #80]I suppose there are some who identify as Christian for some reason even if they don't believe in any gods.
theismPerhaps Jesus had a hidden agenda to speak as if he believed in God when he didn't or perhaps those who claimed to write down his words added claims of God for their own agenda.
belief in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.
If any pretending is [perhaps] going on, then the ones pretending cannot be defined as theists.
They are thus, non-theists pretending to be theists.
Tcg
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Post #83That may be what they tell you. They may even tell you that they don't believe that Jesus was a theist. They may tell you that they believe that being a Christian means being a non-theist.Tcg wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:02 pmThe Christians I have described are not pretending to be anything. They are unashamedly atheists who also happen to be Christians.William wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:55 pm [Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #79]
[Replying to Tcg in post #80]I suppose there are some who identify as Christian for some reason even if they don't believe in any gods.
theismPerhaps Jesus had a hidden agenda to speak as if he believed in God when he didn't or perhaps those who claimed to write down his words added claims of God for their own agenda.
belief in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.
If any pretending is [perhaps] going on, then the ones pretending cannot be defined as theists.
They are thus, non-theists pretending to be theists.
Tcg
In what way have they supported their claims to you, that you believe what they tell you is the truth?
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Re: One thing
Post #84Oh, they believe that Jesus was a theist. That doesn't make them theists.William wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:05 pmThat may be what they tell you. They may even tell you that they don't believe that Jesus was a theist. They may tell you that they believe that being a Christian means being a non-theist.Tcg wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:02 pmThe Christians I have described are not pretending to be anything. They are unashamedly atheists who also happen to be Christians.William wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:55 pm [Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #79]
[Replying to Tcg in post #80]I suppose there are some who identify as Christian for some reason even if they don't believe in any gods.
theismPerhaps Jesus had a hidden agenda to speak as if he believed in God when he didn't or perhaps those who claimed to write down his words added claims of God for their own agenda.
belief in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.
If any pretending is [perhaps] going on, then the ones pretending cannot be defined as theists.
They are thus, non-theists pretending to be theists.
Tcg
In what way have they supported their claims to you, that you believe what they tell you is the truth?
They've supported their claims by lacking belief in god/gods and by being Christians.
Tcg
To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
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Post #85[Replying to Tcg in post #84]
They sound interesting. However, since we are given no access to the data you speak of, your claims here are unsupported.
I would very much like to interact with such folk and learn why they believe that they can call themselves Christians while remaining non-theists.
They sound interesting. However, since we are given no access to the data you speak of, your claims here are unsupported.
I would very much like to interact with such folk and learn why they believe that they can call themselves Christians while remaining non-theists.
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Re: One thing
Post #86They don't simply call themselves Christians, they are Christians.William wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:42 pm [Replying to Tcg in post #84]
They sound interesting. However, since we are given no access to the data you speak of, your claims here are unsupported.
I would very much like to interact with such folk and learn why they believe that they can call themselves Christians while remaining non-theists.
Tcg
To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
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Post #87[Replying to Tcg in post #86]
Are you a Christian?
Are you a Christian?
Yes - so you say. I am under the impression that any claims made in a debate setting require supporting evidence.They don't simply call themselves Christians, they are Christians.
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Post #88My testimony is the evidence. One can accept it or reject it. It remains evidence none the less just as they remain both atheists and Christians.William wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:43 pm [Replying to Tcg in post #86]
Are you a Christian?
Yes - so you say. I am under the impression that any claims made in a debate setting require supporting evidence.They don't simply call themselves Christians, they are Christians.
Tcg
To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
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Post #89[Replying to Tcg in post #88]
In that case, I can reject your argument based upon its lack of supporting evidence.
In that case, I can reject your argument based upon its lack of supporting evidence.
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Post #90Somehow, I overlooked this question. Anyone who has read my posts over the last few years would know the answer to this question. More importantly, it is totally irrelevant. I've never claimed that all atheists are Christians so whether I am one or not has no bearing on the fact that some atheists are Christians.
Tcg
To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
