Rather or not it's correct to be taught, inherited sin (my term, describing how humanity all have sin based on the failure of Adam and Eve) is taught in various sects' churches in christianity.
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For those that believe in inherited sin, how is this justified?
How does this make sense?
How is this fair?
Or is nothing 'fair' in light of the almighty's righteousness and glory?
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Re: Inherited sin
Post #2As one of the Hellbound satanspawn, I predict we'll end up (after some weak attempts to make this Justified) with 'God can do as he likes' - the ultimate in Divine dictatorship.
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Re: Inherited sin
Post #3I have understood sin is to reject God, or to be apart from God. Adam and Eve rejected God and were expelled to this “life”. Because of that, we are born in separation from God, in sinful state. I don’t think it is unfair or a problem, because God has given a way back to Him for those who want that.nobspeople wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:48 pm ...
For those that believe in inherited sin, how is this justified?
How does this make sense?
How is this fair?
Or is nothing 'fair' in light of the almighty's righteousness and glory?
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Re: Inherited sin
Post #4If God has any kind of morality that we would recognise as morality, the Sin should have ended with Adam and Eve. There would have been no need for a loophole in the Rule He made himself.
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Re: Inherited sin
Post #5The only 'need' would be to get people to accept it as true, as far as I can see. I wonder how often god (if it exists) rolls its eyes at all the beliefs people have on it that are flat out stupid.TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:17 pm If God has any kind of morality that we would recognise as morality, the Sin should have ended with Adam and Eve. There would have been no need for a loophole in the Rule He made himself.
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Re: Inherited sin
Post #6Okay.1213 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:50 pmI have understood sin is to reject God, or to be apart from God.nobspeople wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:48 pm ...
For those that believe in inherited sin, how is this justified?
How does this make sense?
How is this fair?
Or is nothing 'fair' in light of the almighty's righteousness and glory?
But A&E never rejected god. They simply got snookered by a deceiving snake, whereupon god saw fit to punish all mankind for their naivety.Adam and Eve rejected God and were expelled to this “life”.
So, do you think that's just? Should grandchildren be punished for a wrong their grandparents committed when they were kids?Because of that, we are born in separation from God, in sinful state.
And you feel such punishment is fair? That it's right that everyone will end up in hell unless they play his game. A game he didn't invent for what, 6,000 or 7,000 years? And even then a game he has failed to share with everyone. As the Bible has described god, IMO he's pretty much a dictatorial thug who demands to be worshiped and venerated OR ELSE. An incompetent god who not only regretted having made man in the first place. See Genesis 6:6. , but when attempting to rectify his mistake, failed at that as well.I don’t think it is unfair or a problem, because God has given a way back to Him for those who want that.
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Re: Inherited sin
Post #7Even atheists I have discussed this point with admit nobody's perfect. This seems self evident since everyone makes mistakes. Being imperfect/sinful is biblically the name for what others call "nobody 's perfect.
The bible simply offers an explanation of how "nobody's perfect" came about.
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The bible simply offers an explanation of how "nobody's perfect" came about.
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Re: Inherited sin
Post #8The theory of evolution does a far better job of it.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 3:39 am The bible simply offers an explanation of how "nobody's perfect" came about.
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Post #9The same story also explains why people are ashamed of being naked, snakes don't have legs, raspberry bushes have thorns, and men are in charge of women. It's the ancient Near East equivalent to the story of Pandora's box.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 3:39 amThe bible simply offers an explanation of how "nobody's perfect" came about.
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Re: Inherited sin
Post #10Fine!brunumb wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:07 amThe theory of evolution does a far better job of it.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 3:39 am The bible simply offers an explanation of how "nobody's perfect" came about.
I cant say I've ever read the evolutionary justification for the imperfect human condition but if such justification exists and that justification makes sense and is fair, excellent. Since I haven't heard how imperfection ("nobody's perfect ie. Everyone is imperfect) is justified by évolution I cannot comment on that.
I suspect most people that believe in evolution conclude, it might not be fair but that's just the way the cookie crumbles: may the fittest survive!
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