The anti-antichrist?

[nobspeople]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-patr ... 37417.html

So it seems, according to the article, that Orthodox faithful are holding back the antichrist. In essence, they're the anti- antichrist.
I've oft heard preachers and ministers say 'if people pray enough, they can prevent the return of christ (until a later date)'.

For discussion:
Is the return of christ (and or the anitchrist) a moving target? In other words, can simple prayers of 'the faithful' extend the return date of either one, or both, of these 'individuals'?
Or is(are) the date(s) 'set in stone' as they say; not moving targets?

[nobspeople]

[Replying to nobspeople in post #1]

Is the return of christ (and or the anitchrist) a moving target? In other words, can simple prayers of 'the faithful' extend the return date of either one, or both, of these 'individuals'?
Or is(are) the date(s) 'set in stone' as they say; not moving targets?

According to Jesus [biblical] there is no date and that he wont be returning until his Father gives the order.

So it seems that, according to your claim, prayers 'of the faithful' can, indeed, extend the return date

[William]

[Replying to nobspeople in post #1]

Is the return of christ (and or the anitchrist) a moving target? In other words, can simple prayers of 'the faithful' extend the return date of either one, or both, of these 'individuals'?
Or is(are) the date(s) 'set in stone' as they say; not moving targets?

According to Jesus [biblical] there is no date and that he wont be returning until his Father gives the order.

So it seems that, according to your claim, prayers 'of the faithful' can, indeed, extend the return date

That would depend upon whether the prayers of the faithful have any direct influence on The Father giving or withholding the order, or that it is something The Father alone decides, for his own reasons, beyond whatever reasons prayers of the faithful are influenced by.

[nobspeople]

[Replying to nobspeople in post #1]

Is the return of christ (and or the anitchrist) a moving target? In other words, can simple prayers of 'the faithful' extend the return date of either one, or both, of these 'individuals'?
Or is(are) the date(s) 'set in stone' as they say; not moving targets?

According to Jesus [biblical] there is no date and that he wont be returning until his Father gives the order.

So it seems that, according to your claim, prayers 'of the faithful' can, indeed, extend the return date

That would depend upon whether the prayers of the faithful have any direct influence on The Father giving or withholding the order, or that it is something The Father alone decides, for his own reasons, beyond whatever reasons prayers of the faithful are influenced by.

That doesn't change the original answer, but thanks for 'expounding' on it further.

[William]

[Replying to nobspeople in post #1]

Is the return of christ (and or the anitchrist) a moving target? In other words, can simple prayers of 'the faithful' extend the return date of either one, or both, of these 'individuals'?
Or is(are) the date(s) 'set in stone' as they say; not moving targets?

According to Jesus [biblical] there is no date and that he wont be returning until his Father gives the order.

So it seems that, according to your claim, prayers 'of the faithful' can, indeed, extend the return date

That would depend upon whether the prayers of the faithful have any direct influence on The Father giving or withholding the order, or that it is something The Father alone decides, for his own reasons, beyond whatever reasons prayers of the faithful are influenced by.

That doesn't change the original answer, but thanks for 'expounding' on it further.

What it does change is the way you interpreted the original answer to mean that prayers 'of the faithful' can, indeed, extend the return date rather than "maybe/maybe not" as I explained.

[nobspeople]

[Replying to nobspeople in post #1]

Is the return of christ (and or the anitchrist) a moving target? In other words, can simple prayers of 'the faithful' extend the return date of either one, or both, of these 'individuals'?
Or is(are) the date(s) 'set in stone' as they say; not moving targets?

According to Jesus [biblical] there is no date and that he wont be returning until his Father gives the order.

So it seems that, according to your claim, prayers 'of the faithful' can, indeed, extend the return date

That would depend upon whether the prayers of the faithful have any direct influence on The Father giving or withholding the order, or that it is something The Father alone decides, for his own reasons, beyond whatever reasons prayers of the faithful are influenced by.

That doesn't change the original answer, but thanks for 'expounding' on it further.

What it does change is the way you interpreted the original answer to mean that prayers 'of the faithful' can, indeed, extend the return date rather than "maybe/maybe not" as I explained.

Me: In other words, can simple prayers of 'the faithful' extend the return date of either one, or both, of these 'individuals'?
You: According to Jesus [biblical] there is no date and that he wont be returning until his Father gives the order.
Me: So it seems that, according to your claim, prayers 'of the faithful' can, indeed, extend the return date?
You: That would depend upon whether the prayers of the faithful have any direct influence on The Father giving or withholding the order, or that it is something The Father alone decides, for his own reasons, beyond whatever reasons prayers of the faithful are influenced by.

So, indeed it can = maybe.

So no, it doesn't change the answer at all.

[William]

[Replying to nobspeople in post #15]

So, indeed it can = maybe.

No.

"It can" equals a positive statement and a positive statement equals 'it does".

I was saying "it might or it might not" which equals "maybe".

[nobspeople]

[Replying to nobspeople in post #15]

So, indeed it can = maybe.

No.

"It can" equals a positive statement and a positive statement equals 'it does".

I was saying "it might or it might not" which equals "maybe".

Ah word play
'It can' is positive as is 'it does', which no one is arguing aside from you
Bottom line: it's a maybe, as I said.