Easter Traditions?

[Tcg]

Are there any Easter Traditions that are related specifically to Jesus' resurrection? The Easter eggs hunts, bunnies and pastel-colored candies seem to be a celebration of spring. Certainly, sermons will be preached on Jesus' resurrection, but are there any Easter Traditions that Christians practice with their families that are focused on Jesus?


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

WHEN WAS THE FESTIVAL OF UNLEAVEN BREAD /CAKES?

LEVITICUS 23:5, 6

• “‘On the 15th day of this month is the Festival of Unleavened Bread to Jehovah. Seven days you should eat unleavened bread

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Ok. So the bread is not eaten on the 14th but the 15th.

The Passover begins on the 15th day of the month of Nisan, which typically falls in March or April of the Gregorian calendar. The 15th day begins in the evening, after the 14th day, and the seder meal is eaten that evening. Passover is a spring festival, so the 15th day of Nisan typically begins on the night of a full moon after the northern vernal equinox.[39] However, due to leap months falling after the vernal equinox, Passover sometimes starts on the second full moon after vernal equinox, as in 2016.(Wiki)

so the chronology works like this.

14th Nisan, Wednesday. First day of Passover. Day of preparation. Paschal lambs killed in the temple.
15th day Thursday. Passover eaten. Seder, also Mazza (unleavened bread) feast. Last supper, Jesus arrested in the evening
Friday according to John 14th Nisan, day of preparation. Trial. Lambs slaughtered in the temple, Jesus slaughtered on the cross.
Saturday. Passover eaten, Jesus in the tomb.

We still have the contradiction between the synoptics and John.

[JehovahsWitness]

14th Nisan, Wednesday. First day of Passover. Day of preparation. Paschal lambs killed in the temple.
15th day Thursday. Passover eaten. Seder, also Mazza (unleavened bread) feast. Last supper, Jesus arrested in the evening
Friday according to John 14th Nisan, day of preparation. Trial. Lambs slaughtered in the temple, Jesus slaughtered on the cross.
Saturday. Passover eaten, Jesus in the tomb.

We still have the contradiction between the synoptics and John.

Very poor summary ...

14th Nisan, Wednesday. First day of Passover. Day of preparation. Paschal lambs killed in the temple..

• Nothing was killed at the TEMPLE on Nisan 14.

• It probably was NOT a Wednesday, since the Sabbath was described in the gospels as a "Great" Sabbath.

First day of Passover.

If by "first day of the Passover" you are talking about Nisan 14 and mean "first day of the Passover period" then yes. See post #85 for further explanations.

Day of preparation.

A genetic term to refer to the say before ANY Sabbath or holy day. See post #74 for further explanations.

Paschal lambs killed in the temple.

Again, nothing was killed at the TEMPLE on Nisan 14.

15th day Thursday. Passover eaten. Seder, ...

The SEDAR meal was not eaten on Nisan 15 ; the Sedar memorial meal was eaten on Nisan 14.

[JehovahsWitness]

15th day Thursday. Passover eaten. Seder, also Mazza (unleavened bread) feast.

Incorrect. The "Sedar" Passover memorial meal was not eaten on the same day as the bread from the TEMPLE based festival of unleavened bread. See post #91

Last supper, Jesus arrested in the evening

Jesus was arrested on the evening of the 14th (which was probably a Friday) post #72 for further explanations

Friday according to John 14th Nisan, day of preparation.

John, evidently was correct.

Trial.

All four gospels have Jesus tried on the same day he ate the "evening" (sedar) meal.

Lambs slaughtered in the temple, Jesus slaughtered on the cross.

Incorrect.

• There lambs were slaughtered in the temple on the Nisan 15.

• All four gospels have Jesus executed the day before the Sabbath. He was hurredly buried to get it done before sunset.

Saturday. Passover eaten, Jesus in the tomb.

• If by "Passover" you mean the family based Passover (Sedar) meal, then no, that would have been on Nisan 14 (Friday)

• If by "Passover" you mean the bread of the seven day TEMPLE Passover festival of unleaven bread which began on Nisan 15... Then yes.

When was the Jewish PASSOVER?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 32#p893932

[TRANSPONDER]

14th Nisan, Wednesday. First day of Passover. Day of preparation. Paschal lambs killed in the temple.
15th day Thursday. Passover eaten. Seder, also Mazza (unleavened bread) feast. Last supper, Jesus arrested in the evening
Friday according to John 14th Nisan, day of preparation. Trial. Lambs slaughtered in the temple, Jesus slaughtered on the cross.
Saturday. Passover eaten, Jesus in the tomb.

We still have the contradiction between the synoptics and John.

Very poor summary ...

14th Nisan, Wednesday. First day of Passover. Day of preparation. Paschal lambs killed in the temple..

• Nothing was killed at the TEMPLE on Nisan 14.

• It probably was NOT a Wednesday, since the Sabbath was described in the gospels as a "Great" Sabbath.

First day of Passover.

If by "first day of the Passover" you are talking about Nisan 14 and mean "first day of the Passover period" then yes. See post #85 for further explanations.

Day of preparation.

A genetic term to refer to the say before ANY Sabbath or holy day. See post #74 for further explanations.

Paschal lambs killed in the temple.

Again, nothing was killed at the TEMPLE on Nisan 14.

15th day Thursday. Passover eaten. Seder, ...

The SEDAR meal was not eaten on Nisan 15. ; the Sedar memorial meal was eate N on Nisan 14.

Very poor response. I said it before. The paschal lambs were ritually sacrificed. Where if not in the Temple? Buit ok, suppose somewhere else, the lambs were killed on the day before the Passover was eaten. If we go by the Synoptic reckoning, the trial and crucifixion was on the friday because next day was Sabbath. So Jesus was arrested on the previous day after the last supper which makes that the Thursday with the first day, when the lambs were sacrificed (as the synoptics say) the Wednesday, which was the 14th, Last supper the 15th and trial and crucifixion the 16th with John saying it was the day of preparation with the Passover still to be eaten.

There's the discrepancy right there. How do you get around it?

P.s "he sacrificial animal
The sacrificial animal, which was either a lamb or goat, had to be a male, one year old, and without blemish. Each family or society offered one animal together, which did not require the semikah (laying on of hands), although it was obligatory to determine who were to take part in the sacrifice that the slaughtering might take place with the proper intentions. Only those who were circumcised and clean before the Law might participate, and they were forbidden to have leavened food in their possession during the act of slaughtering the Passover lamb. The animal was slain on the eve of the Passover, on the afternoon of the 14th of Nisan,[1] after the Tamid sacrifice had been slaughtered, i.e., at three o'clock, or, in case the eve of the Passover fell on Friday, at two.[2]

The slaughtering took place in the courtyard of the Temple at Jerusalem. The slaughter could be performed by a layman, although the rituals dealing with the blood and fat had to be carried out by a priest."[wiki]

[JehovahsWitness]

The paschal lambs were ritually sacrificed. Where if not in the Temple?

If by "paschal lambs" you are referring to the lamb sacrificed on Nisan 14 (to be eaten during the family based memorial SEDAR meal)... It would be killed (sacrificed) by the family or group head probably in their back yard. Certainly not at the TEMPLE as SEDAR was not a "holy convention" (national festival) , the sedar (paschal) lamb was not a sin offering (which could only be done by a priest) nor was it a whole burnt offering (which was not eaten).

EXODUS 12:4

But if the household is too small for the sheep, they and their nearest neighbor should share it between themselves in their house according to the number of people. When making the calculation, determine how much of the sheep each one will eat.

... suppose somewhere else, the lambs were killed on the day before the Passover was eaten

No, none of the lambs offered at Passover could be kept until' the next morning, they had to be killed, cooked and eaten in the same night.

DEUTERONOMY 16:4

No sourdough should be found with you in all your territory for seven days, nor should any of the meat that you will sacrifice in the evening on the first day remain all night until the next morning

...the lambs were killed on the day before the Passover was eaten.

Incorrect. (See above)

NOTE : Re: wiki Analysis is of the Passover as practiced by Jews in the FIRST CENTURY not any of its later manifestations which underwent numerous adaptations.

Rabbinic literature . . . does not even claim to be telling us how the Seder [Passover meal] was performed before the destruction of the Temple (70 C.E) - Professor Jonathan Klawans, Professor of religious studies, and specialist in ancient Judaism, Boston University

[Goat]

It [the trial of Jesus] cannot be held on a Sabbath or feast day (Sanhedrin 4:1).

It was not held on a Sabbath or a feast day. (See above)

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Considering that the last supper was celebrating Passover [Sedar meal], either the story about the last supper is not true, or your statement it can not be a feastday is not true.

If by " feast day" you mean during one of the thrice early TEMPLE based holy conventions, then my statement is absolutely correct.

• There is ample evidence Jesus "evening meal" (when he shared the bread and wine with his disciples) was during the Sedar memorial meal

That ceremony is held the first day of Passover ...

See post #85

That ceremony is held the first day of Passover, and then the period for Passover lasts 8 days.

The Festival was SEVEN not 8 days long. There were several different "ceremonies" during the Passover period.

Passover is a high holy festival that lasts 8 days.

[JehovahsWitness]

If we go by the Synoptic reckoning, the trial and crucifixion was on the friday because next day was Sabbath. So Jesus was arrested on the previous day after the last supper which makes that the Thursday ...

1a) Er... you do know the Jews measured their day from evening to evening ?

If we go by the Synoptic reckoning, the trial and crucifixion was on the friday because next day was Sabbath. So Jesus was arrested on the previous day after the last supper which makes that the Thursday with the first day, when the lambs were sacrificed (as the synoptics say) the Wednesday, which was the 14th, Last supper the 15th and trial and crucifixion the 16th with John saying it was the day of preparation with the Passover still to be eaten.

1b) I suspect from the above you do not know that the morning after Friday night would still be considered Friday.

There's the discrepancy right there. How do you get around it?

By not making the basic "rookie" error your calculations seem to display (see above points 1(a) and 1(b))

To learn more please go to other posts related to ...

THE PASSOVER, THE MOSAIC LAW COVENANT and ... SABBATH KEEPING

[TRANSPONDER]

The paschal lambs were ritually sacrificed. Where if not in the Temple?

If by "paschal lambs" you are referring to the lamb sacrificed on Nisan 14 (to be eaten during the family based memorial SEDAR meal)... It would be killed (sacrificed) by the family or group head probably in their back yard. Certainly not at the TEMPLE as SEDAR was not a "holy convention" (national festival) , the sedar (paschal) lamb was not a sin offering (which could only be done by a priest) nor was it a whole burnt offering (which was not eaten).

EXODUS 12:4

But if the household is too small for the sheep, they and their nearest neighbor should share it between themselves in their house according to the number of people. When making the calculation, determine how much of the sheep each one will eat.

I reasonably assumed that the tyemple was the place for sacrifices not your own backyard, and the jewush encyclopaedia confirms this

2The Passover lamb was killed, in the time of the Second Temple, in the court where all other "ḳodashim" were slaughtered, in keeping with the Deuteronomic prescription, and it was incumbent upon every man and woman to fulfil this obligation. The time "between the two evenings" ("ben ha-'arbayim") was construed to mean "after noon and until nightfall," the killing of the lamb following immediately upon that of the "tamid," the burning of the incense, and the setting in order of the lamps, according to daily routine. The killing was done with great caution, to avoid contact with ḥameẓ. After the carcass had been properly prepared, and the blood properly disposed of, it was taken home by its owner and roasted and eaten at eventide. The owners of the lambs were divided into three sets ("kittot") of at least thirty each, and during the slaughtering never less than thirty could be present in the courtyard. When the first group had entered the courtyard the doors were closed, and while the Levites sang the "Hallel" the lambs were killed, the psalms being sung, if necessary, three times.

The Ḥaburah.
In prescribed order the trumpets were blown, while the priests stood ready with gold and silver utensils to sprinkle the blood. The vessel was passed from one to the other that many might have a part in the meritorious act, until it reached the priest nearest the altar. The empty pan was returned. Then the carcasses were suspended on iron hooks along the walls and columns, or even on poles, shouldered between two men; the excrement was removed and the proper parts salted and incensed on the altar. The doors were then reopened, and, the first group departing, the second was admitted, and next the third, after which the court was cleansed. This order was observed even when the 14th fell on a Sabbath; but in that case the several groups would wait at certain stations in the Temple until the Sabbath was over before proceeding homeward."

It sounds like the temple all the way through and says so at the end. and yes, by 'Paschal' lamb I mean the Passover lamb.

[quote=TRANSPONDER
... suppose somewhere else, the lambs were killed on the day before the Passover was eaten

in the same night[/u].

DEUTERONOMY 16:4

No sourdough should be found with you in all your territory for seven days, nor should any of the meat that you will sacrifice in the evening on the first day remain all night until the next morning

I think you are doubly wrong. First You are talking about all the Passover food having to be eaten, none should be left over to the next day. This is NOTHING to do with when the lambs were killed and even if it was, it means they would have to be cooked and eaten the next day, because you said yourself the first day was 14th Nisan (when the lambs were killed - synoptics)and the Passover eaten on the 15th.

...the lambs were killed on the day before the Passover was eaten.

[quote=JehovahsWitness . Incorrect. (See above)


NOTE : Re: wiki Analysis is of the Passover as practiced by Jews in the FIRST CENTURY W not any of the later manifestations which underwent numerous adaptations.

No, you are incorrect (see above)

Later on no lambs were killed at all. That makes no difference to the traditions of the time, as recorded in the Gospels and (I have to say) confirmed by the Jewish authorities.

[TRANSPONDER]

If we go by the Synoptic reckoning, the trial and crucifixion was on the friday because next day was Sabbath. So Jesus was arrested on the previous day after the last supper which makes that the Thursday ...

1a) Er... you do know the Jews measured their day from evening to evening ?

If we go by the Synoptic reckoning, the trial and crucifixion was on the friday because next day was Sabbath. So Jesus was arrested on the previous day after the last supper which makes that the Thursday with the first day, when the lambs were sacrificed (as the synoptics say) the Wednesday, which was the 14th, Last supper the 15th and trial and crucifixion the 16th with John saying it was the day of preparation with the Passover still to be eaten.

1b) I suspect from the above you do not know that the morning after Friday night would still be considered Friday.

There's the discrepancy right there. How do you get around it?

By not making the basic "rookie" error your calculations seem to display (see above points 1(a) and 1(b))

To learn more please go to other posts related to ...

THE PASSOVER, THE MOSAIC LAW COVENANT and ... SABBATH KEEPING

Yes I know that the new day was reckoned from evening (when two stars could be seen) so the arrest in Gethsemane was Friday morning according to Jewish reckoning but Thursday night as we might think of it. It makes no difference to my argument that the first day was preparation (Killing of Lambs, In the Temple, In the Temple, Seder eaten on the 15th as I think you said, but I'll check the practice, and the arrest Thursday evening (by western reckoning) or Friday morning (Jewish time) with the Sanhedrin meeting (correctly) at daybreak, the trial after that when (according to John) it was the day of preparation and the Seder had still to be eaten. Even if your points are correct, it makes no real difference to my argument, and I wish you luck in asserting that you are more of an expert on 2nd Temple ritual practices than those who edit the Jewish encyclopaedia.

Yes. The animal was slain on the eve of the Passover, on the afternoon of the 14th of Nisan, after the Tamid sacrifice had been killed, i.e., at three o'clock, or, in case the eve of the Passover fell on Friday, at two. The killing took place in the court of the Temple,.....The Home Ceremony.
The first group stationed itself on the mount of the Temple, the second group in the "ḥel," the space between the Temple wall and the Temple hall, while the third group remained in the Temple court, thus awaiting the evening, when they took their lambs home and roasted them on a spit of pomegranate-wood. (Jewish Encyclopaedia)

So the lambs were roasted that eventing (which as you observed would actually be the next day) and I presume the Seder eaten either that evening or the next day. I'll check.

This is interesting "The members of the ḥaburah complied with the conditions, regarding purity, circumcision, etc., prescribed for partaking of the paschal lamb. Not only must the personal status of the owner be conformable to the law, but his ownership also must be beyond doubt; the lamb must be slaughtered on his account, and in accordance with the Biblical prescriptions and the Temple ordinances (see "Yad," Ḳorban Pesaḥ, iii. and iv.).

Passover and Sabbath.
Precautions were taken against defilement by contact with the dead." They use the term Paschal lamb, just as i did. I see what you were getting at with Mazzoh feast and first fruits, but it doesn't help the contradiction, in fact makes it worse.

I get this point, too "it is identical with the Maẓẓot (, Ex. xii. 17; , Lev. xxiii. 5-6) festival, and was instituted for an everlasting statute (Ex. xii. 14). Lev. xxiii., however, seems to distinguish between Passover, which is set for the fourteenth day of the month, and (the Festival of Unleavened Bread; ἑορτή τῶν ἀζύμων, Luke xxii. 1; Josephus, "B. J." ii. 1, § 3), appointed for the fifteenth day. " So it may be arguable that the lambs were killed in the temple first day (14th) roasted the evening and eaten either same evening (which was now the 15th according to Jewish time) and the matzoh feast during the day, or the lamb was eaten during the day, still the 15th either way.

So as I say I don't see that it helps to resolve the contradiction.