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Nobility of religion

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Are Judeo-Christians more noble or intelligent than others because they are the last modern people holding onto fairytale beliefs as if they were true?

So many other religions with the same traits have been dismissed, why not this?

Is it a character flaw? Deep brainwashing, the phenomena that it is easier to fool someone than it is to show them they’ve been fooled?

Or something else?

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Willum wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 7:58 am Are Judeo-Christians more noble or intelligent than others because they are the last modern people holding onto fairytale beliefs as if they were true?

So many other religions with the same traits have been dismissed, why not this?

Is it a character flaw? Deep brainwashing, the phenomena that it is easier to fool someone than it is to show them they’ve been fooled?

Or something else?
I've seen many correlated reports showing IQ and religious belief to show the lack of intelligence with belief in religion (that's not to say there are outliers). Maybe this is because, in order to know more about things outside the box of religion, one has to, in some way, shun religious dogma and belief?
I don't see how believing in XYZ makes one MORE intelligent - maybe more creative and receptive to certain aspects of creativity.
And I don't know if I'd go as far as to say 'other religions have been dismissed' as there are MORE than enough varying religious beliefs on the planet. Unless, we were to say 'dismissed by a certain group of religious believers' (ie christians dismissing all other religions as false and bunk, which is ironic, in a way, as many see their beliefs as false and bunk).
There is a huge amount of brainwashing involved within religion (even though many on here - MODS included - don't like that term - truth hurts and all that). The fear of eternal hell and guilt of things you have no control over are paramount in many christian (all?) beliefs. That, when used excessively, is brainwashing.
Indoctrination and lack of independent thought also plays a part in the lives of many believers. I mean, the belief in a talking and burning bush that's not consumed, to me, smacks of lack of independent thought. But surely, I'm in the minority on here.

It all boils down to one believing in what they want to fit their chosen lifestyle agenda. And, eventually for many (most/all?), trying to force that on to others by whatever legal (and sometimes, legally challenged) means. After all, that belief can't get as many soldiers to join by sheer witnessing, it takes force, which history has shown (and is showing) us isn't beneath the powers that be within christianity.
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Re: Nobility of religion

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Willum wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 7:58 am Are Judeo-Christians more noble or intelligent than others because they are the last modern people holding onto fairytale beliefs as if they were true?
No modern group believes that fairytales are true.

Judaism and Christianity are not the only remaining religions in the world.
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[Replying to bjs1 in post #3]

Interesting, then they, or you, should be able to distinguish that religion from a fairytale, other than by simple appellation?

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Willum wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 3:21 pm [Replying to bjs1 in post #3]

Interesting, then they, or you, should be able to distinguish that religion from a fairytale, other than by simple appellation?
A fairy tale is a story, usually for children, about elves hobgoblins, dragons, fairies or other magical creatures.

A religion is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

The concepts do not appear to have much in common.
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So human behavior determines whether you god is a fairytale or reality, or not?
Good to know.

So this makes those people who go to comic con religious for Superman.

And those who don’t follow religious practices, but believe in your god, believers in fairytales.

Glad to know such a distinction.

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Willum wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:21 am [Replying to bjs1 in post #5]

So human behavior determines whether you god is a fairytale or reality, or not?
Good to know.

So this makes those people who go to comic con religious for Superman.

And those who don’t follow religious practices, but believe in your god, believers in fairytales.

Glad to know such a distinction.
This post clearly uses simple words incorrectly. It is written in response to a post that provided an accurate definition of the words “fairytale” and “religion” from dictionary.com, and this post still uses the words incorrectly.

“Fairytale” does not simply mean “false,” which is clear how the post uses the word “fairytale.” This is most likely an effort to insult people who disagree with the poster. A fairytale is a specific literary genera.

“Religion” does not mean “believes in a higher power.” It refers to a larger set of beliefs, devotions, ritual, community and ethical behavior as described above.

A person who believes in God but has no other beliefs or actions associate with a religion is not religious. Nor does that person believe in fairytales. That is simply not what the words mean and, again, accurate definitions have been provided.
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Re: Nobility of religion

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bjs1 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 9:23 am
Willum wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:21 am [Replying to bjs1 in post #5]

So human behavior determines whether you god is a fairytale or reality, or not?
Good to know.

So this makes those people who go to comic con religious for Superman.

And those who don’t follow religious practices, but believe in your god, believers in fairytales.

Glad to know such a distinction.
This post clearly uses simple words incorrectly. It is written in response to a post that provided an accurate definition of the words “fairytale” and “religion” from dictionary.com, and this post still uses the words incorrectly.

“Fairytale” does not simply mean “false,” which is clear how the post uses the word “fairytale.” This is most likely an effort to insult people who disagree with the poster. A fairytale is a specific literary genera.

“Religion” does not mean “believes in a higher power.” It refers to a larger set of beliefs, devotions, ritual, community and ethical behavior as described above.

A person who believes in God but has no other beliefs or actions associate with a religion is not religious. Nor does that person believe in fairytales. That is simply not what the words mean and, again, accurate definitions have been provided.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fairy-tale
a story (as for children) involving fantastic forces and beings (such as fairies, wizards, and goblins)
a story in which improbable events lead to a happy ending
a made-up story usually designed to mislead

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion
the service and worship of God or the supernatural
commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
the state of a religious
cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS

Hope this helps clear things up ;)
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Re: Nobility of religion

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nobspeople wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 9:38 am
bjs1 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 9:23 am
Willum wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:21 am [Replying to bjs1 in post #5]

So human behavior determines whether you god is a fairytale or reality, or not?
Good to know.

So this makes those people who go to comic con religious for Superman.

And those who don’t follow religious practices, but believe in your god, believers in fairytales.

Glad to know such a distinction.
This post clearly uses simple words incorrectly. It is written in response to a post that provided an accurate definition of the words “fairytale” and “religion” from dictionary.com, and this post still uses the words incorrectly.

“Fairytale” does not simply mean “false,” which is clear how the post uses the word “fairytale.” This is most likely an effort to insult people who disagree with the poster. A fairytale is a specific literary genera.

“Religion” does not mean “believes in a higher power.” It refers to a larger set of beliefs, devotions, ritual, community and ethical behavior as described above.

A person who believes in God but has no other beliefs or actions associate with a religion is not religious. Nor does that person believe in fairytales. That is simply not what the words mean and, again, accurate definitions have been provided.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fairy-tale
a story (as for children) involving fantastic forces and beings (such as fairies, wizards, and goblins)
a story in which improbable events lead to a happy ending
a made-up story usually designed to mislead

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion
the service and worship of God or the supernatural
commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
the state of a religious
cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS

Hope this helps clear things up ;)
I’m glad that you agree with me that post 6 uses well defined words incorrectly. (Unless you are planning to provide evidence that religious beliefs are “designed to mislead” – that is, that people who claim to be religious are intentionally trying to lie to people.)
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Re: Nobility of religion

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bjs1 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 1:54 pm
nobspeople wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 9:38 am
bjs1 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 9:23 am
Willum wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:21 am [Replying to bjs1 in post #5]

So human behavior determines whether you god is a fairytale or reality, or not?
Good to know.

So this makes those people who go to comic con religious for Superman.

And those who don’t follow religious practices, but believe in your god, believers in fairytales.

Glad to know such a distinction.
This post clearly uses simple words incorrectly. It is written in response to a post that provided an accurate definition of the words “fairytale” and “religion” from dictionary.com, and this post still uses the words incorrectly.

“Fairytale” does not simply mean “false,” which is clear how the post uses the word “fairytale.” This is most likely an effort to insult people who disagree with the poster. A fairytale is a specific literary genera.

“Religion” does not mean “believes in a higher power.” It refers to a larger set of beliefs, devotions, ritual, community and ethical behavior as described above.

A person who believes in God but has no other beliefs or actions associate with a religion is not religious. Nor does that person believe in fairytales. That is simply not what the words mean and, again, accurate definitions have been provided.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fairy-tale
a story (as for children) involving fantastic forces and beings (such as fairies, wizards, and goblins)
a story in which improbable events lead to a happy ending
a made-up story usually designed to mislead

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion
the service and worship of God or the supernatural
commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
the state of a religious
cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS

Hope this helps clear things up ;)
I’m glad that you agree with me that post 6 uses well defined words incorrectly. (Unless you are planning to provide evidence that religious beliefs are “designed to mislead” – that is, that people who claim to be religious are intentionally trying to lie to people.)
No agenda here - I'm no longer a christian after all
It is worth nothing the bolded part of the definition.
This begs the question: should we use all the definition of the word, or only pick what we want?
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