Grace (and/or) Belief/Faith (and/or) Works?

[POI]

Seems there exists an unresolved topic amongst Christians... Seems as though the way to salvation is not unified among the many in which I engage. I'd wager they all have a case to support their position(s).?.?

For debate: How does one get to Heaven? What is God's criteria for His selection process? Is it by grace alone, belief/faith alone, works alone; or it is a combination of the three? Or is it maybe other? Please, not only present your case, but please also explain why the other asserted methods are incorrect.

[Eloi]

(...) then the answer should be easy. How does one achieve salvation, and/or get to Heaven?

That would be a very good question if SALVATION and GOING TO HEAVEN were equivalent. But they are not; so the question makes no biblical sense.

[POI]

(...) then the answer should be easy. How does one achieve salvation, and/or get to Heaven?

That would be a very good question if SALVATION and GOING TO HEAVEN were equivalent. But they are not; so the question makes no biblical sense.

Interesting, okay. Allow me to rephrase... But please note this is why I stated (and/or), as we seem to have countless denomination(s)/other.

Where does the Bible stand in achieving salvation (i.e.)?

- Grace alone
- Grace by faith/belief alone
- Grace by faith/belief + works
- Other

[Eloi]

Interesting, okay. Allow me to rephrase...

Where does the Bible stand in achieving salvation (i.e.)?

- Grace alone
- Grace by faith/belief alone
- Grace by faith/belief + works
- Other

Paul and James mention the word "works" in a different sense. Paul says that there is no need for "works" based on the Law of Moses; James says that a true Christian is not only one who believe, but also for practicing justice, the biblical principles.

It is obvious that if a person DOES NOT DO what pleases God, he will not obtain eternal life when everyone is judged for the things that he does. Paul knew that very well:

1 Cor. 6:9 Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 11 And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God.

[POI]

Interesting, okay. Allow me to rephrase...

Where does the Bible stand in achieving salvation (i.e.)?

- Grace alone
- Grace by faith/belief alone
- Grace by faith/belief + works
- Other

Paul and James mention the word "works" in a different sense. Paul says that there is no need for "works" based on the Law of Moses; James says that a true Christian is not only one who believe, but also for practicing justice, the biblical principles.

It is obvious that if a person DOES NOT DO what pleases God, he will not obtain eternal life when everyone is judged for the things that he does. Paul knew that very well:

1 Cor. 6:9 Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 11 And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God.

1. Is baptism required?
2. By default, at birth or before natural birth, are humans deemed "righteous" or "unrighteous"?
3. Must a person be free from all the said above to achieve salvation?

I'll stop here for now...

[Eloi]

Interesting, okay. Allow me to rephrase...

Where does the Bible stand in achieving salvation (i.e.)?

- Grace alone
- Grace by faith/belief alone
- Grace by faith/belief + works
- Other

Paul and James mention the word "works" in a different sense. Paul says that there is no need for "works" based on the Law of Moses; James says that a true Christian is not only one who believe, but also for practicing justice, the biblical principles.

It is obvious that if a person DOES NOT DO what pleases God, he will not obtain eternal life when everyone is judged for the things that he does. Paul knew that very well:

1 Cor. 6:9 Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 11 And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God.

1. Is baptism required?
2. By default, at birth or before natural birth, are humans deemed "righteous" or "unrighteous"?
3. Must a person be free from all the said above to achieve salvation?

I'll stop here for now...

If you need a Bible study you can try it here https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/g ... dy-course/ or to ask for a visit here https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesse ... t-a-visit/ or maybe find where we meet near you, here https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/meetings/

All your questions will be answered.

[POI]

Interesting, okay. Allow me to rephrase...

Where does the Bible stand in achieving salvation (i.e.)?

- Grace alone
- Grace by faith/belief alone
- Grace by faith/belief + works
- Other

Paul and James mention the word "works" in a different sense. Paul says that there is no need for "works" based on the Law of Moses; James says that a true Christian is not only one who believe, but also for practicing justice, the biblical principles.

It is obvious that if a person DOES NOT DO what pleases God, he will not obtain eternal life when everyone is judged for the things that he does. Paul knew that very well:

1 Cor. 6:9 Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 11 And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God.

1. Is baptism required?
2. By default, at birth or before natural birth, are humans deemed "righteous" or "unrighteous"?
3. Must a person be free from all the said above to achieve salvation?

I'll stop here for now...

If you need a Bible study you can try it here https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/g ... dy-course/ or to ask for a visit here https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesse ... t-a-visit/ or maybe find where we meet near you, here https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/meetings/

All your questions will be answered.

Any/all questions posed here could apparently be answered by exploring the internet. I'm asking you. Do you know the answers to these questions? I would assume you have an answer for them. Hence, I can only speculate why you do not answer them? These are all (one word) answers.

1. Is baptism required? (yes or no)
2. By default, at birth or before natural birth, are humans deemed "righteous" or "unrighteous"? (righteous or unrighteous)
3. Must a person be free from all the said above to achieve salvation? (yes or no)

[Eloi]

Interesting, okay. Allow me to rephrase...

Where does the Bible stand in achieving salvation (i.e.)?

- Grace alone
- Grace by faith/belief alone
- Grace by faith/belief + works
- Other

Paul and James mention the word "works" in a different sense. Paul says that there is no need for "works" based on the Law of Moses; James says that a true Christian is not only one who believe, but also for practicing justice, the biblical principles.

It is obvious that if a person DOES NOT DO what pleases God, he will not obtain eternal life when everyone is judged for the things that he does. Paul knew that very well:

1 Cor. 6:9 Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 11 And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God.

1. Is baptism required?
2. By default, at birth or before natural birth, are humans deemed "righteous" or "unrighteous"?
3. Must a person be free from all the said above to achieve salvation?

I'll stop here for now...

If you need a Bible study you can try it here https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/g ... dy-course/ or to ask for a visit here https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesse ... t-a-visit/ or maybe find where we meet near you, here https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/meetings/

All your questions will be answered.

Any/all questions posed here could apparently be answered by exploring the internet. I'm asking you. Do you know the answers to these questions? I would assume you have an answer for them. Hence, I can only speculate why you do not answer them? These are all (one word) answers.

1. Is baptism required? (yes or no)
2. By default, at birth or before natural birth, are humans deemed "righteous" or "unrighteous"? (righteous or unrighteous)
3. Must a person be free from all the said above to achieve salvation? (yes or no)

Thanks for your interest. I have no time to answer all your questions, but now you know where to find the answers.

Have a nice day.

[POI]

Interesting, okay. Allow me to rephrase...

Where does the Bible stand in achieving salvation (i.e.)?

- Grace alone
- Grace by faith/belief alone
- Grace by faith/belief + works
- Other

Paul and James mention the word "works" in a different sense. Paul says that there is no need for "works" based on the Law of Moses; James says that a true Christian is not only one who believe, but also for practicing justice, the biblical principles.

It is obvious that if a person DOES NOT DO what pleases God, he will not obtain eternal life when everyone is judged for the things that he does. Paul knew that very well:

1 Cor. 6:9 Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 11 And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God.

1. Is baptism required?
2. By default, at birth or before natural birth, are humans deemed "righteous" or "unrighteous"?
3. Must a person be free from all the said above to achieve salvation?

I'll stop here for now...

If you need a Bible study you can try it here https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/g ... dy-course/ or to ask for a visit here https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesse ... t-a-visit/ or maybe find where we meet near you, here https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/meetings/

All your questions will be answered.

Any/all questions posed here could apparently be answered by exploring the internet. I'm asking you. Do you know the answers to these questions? I would assume you have an answer for them. Hence, I can only speculate why you do not answer them? These are all (one word) answers.

1. Is baptism required? (yes or no)
2. By default, at birth or before natural birth, are humans deemed "righteous" or "unrighteous"? (righteous or unrighteous)
3. Must a person be free from all the said above to achieve salvation? (yes or no)

Thanks for your interest. I have no time to answer all your questions, but now you know where to find the answers.

Have a nice day.

At least be consistent. If this is really your position, you would have been <one-and-done> with your now given response; at your very first post involvement, (1052 posts ago). Thus, as it stands, I refer back to post #6. It's best you not let inquiring minds dig too deep into your position, as confusion would then soon surface.

Ta ta

[brunumb]

1. Is baptism required? (yes or no)
2. By default, at birth or before natural birth, are humans deemed "righteous" or "unrighteous"? (righteous or unrighteous)
3. Must a person be free from all the said above to achieve salvation? (yes or no)

Thanks for your interest. I have no time to answer all your questions, but now you know where to find the answers.

Have a nice day.

It took more time to write that Claytons response than it would have taken to type the three words answering the questions you were asked. I think anyone following the discussion will understand exactly why you 'deferred' instead.

[Eloi]

1. Is baptism required? (yes or no)
2. By default, at birth or before natural birth, are humans deemed "righteous" or "unrighteous"? (righteous or unrighteous)
3. Must a person be free from all the said above to achieve salvation? (yes or no)

Thanks for your interest. I have no time to answer all your questions, but now you know where to find the answers.

Have a nice day.

It took more time to write that Claytons response than it would have taken to type the three words answering the questions you were asked. I think anyone following the discussion will understand exactly why you 'deferred' instead.

I am sure of that: everybody would know why I did ... I just said it: "I have no time to answer all your questions". It is my time.

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