Some say miracles are real, while others say they're not. The naysayers often point out to limbs not growing back, other dead people not raising up and 'living their best life', no one since Mosses has interacted with a talking and burning bush that's not consumed, etc.
Yet believers do point out that Billy Bobchristian was 'healed' from his sin. Or Bobby Billchristian survived his 11th hour surgery that saved his life. And the like.
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So, here's your chance, believers, once and for all. What miracle have you experienced that you KNOW was a miracle and that it was from god (if you're willing to have it, potentially, challenged - and why shouldn't you? You have faith it's real that's all that matter to you, right? Why not use this time to witness the power of your god?!?)?
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Re: Your miracle
Post #2I think this life is a miracle and that we have had this short period of quite free world. If this life would not be from God, I would like to know how we got life?nobspeople wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 8:41 am ...
So, here's your chance, believers, once and for all. What miracle have you experienced that you KNOW was a miracle and that it was from god (if you're willing to have it, potentially, challenged - and why shouldn't you? You have faith it's real that's all that matter to you, right? Why not use this time to witness the power of your god?!?)?
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Re: Your miracle
Post #3No mystery here, from your mommy and daddy of course.
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Post #4Another Claytons response. Try responding to the OP as it was intended, or not at all.1213 wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 10:58 amI think this life is a miracle and that we have had this short period of quite free world. If this life would not be from God, I would like to know how we got life?nobspeople wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 8:41 am ...
So, here's your chance, believers, once and for all. What miracle have you experienced that you KNOW was a miracle and that it was from god (if you're willing to have it, potentially, challenged - and why shouldn't you? You have faith it's real that's all that matter to you, right? Why not use this time to witness the power of your god?!?)?
And to answer your question, we got this life as the outcome of abiogenesis and evolution. If you don't find that a satisfactory answer, it is at least as good as God-did-it.
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Post #5I look forward to seeing some real miracles. Playing the 'If we can't explain it, must be God' gambit is without weight, quite apart from there being a reasonably hypothetical mechanism of origins of Life, circumstantial evidence that it happened as Palaeontology rather than Genesis says and even if there was any decent evidence that a god dunnit, it still doesn't tell us Which god.
But here's my miracle - answered prayer.
I'd been travelling in my 20's - 30's and I'd met a very nice girl. We planned to get married a few years later but there was a problem - to get a visa for her I needed a proper house, and not the tiny apartment I was living in. But just at the perfect time, the Office relocated to outside the capital (to save on rent) and I was able to sell my flat for a stack of cash just before the housing bubble burst. I was able to get a four...well three bedrooms and a shoebox... house and so my prayers were answered.
Except of course I'd not prayed, didn't believe in God and cannot explain why a 'miracle' would happen to an atheist while some Christians I'd known hadn't done so well whether or not they'd been praying about it.
The conclusion is that this was just a very lucky coincidence of the kind that would certainly be wagged about as a Miracle (or answered prayer) by a Christian rummaging about for evidence. But it shows that even inexplicable events in life do not have to be miracles or answered prayers, which means that such is evidence of nothing at all, even aside that finding car keys or excuses as to why a prayer wasn't answered ("Sometimes God says No"} is just self -delusions and denialist excuses of the Faithful to reject the best case hypothesis - there is no good evidence for God.
But here's my miracle - answered prayer.
I'd been travelling in my 20's - 30's and I'd met a very nice girl. We planned to get married a few years later but there was a problem - to get a visa for her I needed a proper house, and not the tiny apartment I was living in. But just at the perfect time, the Office relocated to outside the capital (to save on rent) and I was able to sell my flat for a stack of cash just before the housing bubble burst. I was able to get a four...well three bedrooms and a shoebox... house and so my prayers were answered.
Except of course I'd not prayed, didn't believe in God and cannot explain why a 'miracle' would happen to an atheist while some Christians I'd known hadn't done so well whether or not they'd been praying about it.
The conclusion is that this was just a very lucky coincidence of the kind that would certainly be wagged about as a Miracle (or answered prayer) by a Christian rummaging about for evidence. But it shows that even inexplicable events in life do not have to be miracles or answered prayers, which means that such is evidence of nothing at all, even aside that finding car keys or excuses as to why a prayer wasn't answered ("Sometimes God says No"} is just self -delusions and denialist excuses of the Faithful to reject the best case hypothesis - there is no good evidence for God.
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Post #6Through the development of more complex chemical reactions from pimplier self replicating molecules, probably self replicating RNA .1213 wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 10:58 amI think this life is a miracle and that we have had this short period of quite free world. If this life would not be from God, I would like to know how we got life?nobspeople wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 8:41 am ...
So, here's your chance, believers, once and for all. What miracle have you experienced that you KNOW was a miracle and that it was from god (if you're willing to have it, potentially, challenged - and why shouldn't you? You have faith it's real that's all that matter to you, right? Why not use this time to witness the power of your god?!?)?
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Post #9Why yes it is. Take a look at plants. Plants take non liviing material and turn it into plant, which is living material
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