The Biblical God's conduct and culpability

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The Biblical God's conduct and culpability

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I read the following:

Source: https://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/ ... dened.html
Who hardened the Pharaoh's heart?

God did.

And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go. Exodus 4:21
And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt. Exodus 7:3

And he hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said. Exodus 7:13

And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses. Exodus 9:12

And the LORD said unto Moses, Go in unto Pharaoh: for I have hardened his heart, and the heart of his servants, that I might shew these my signs before him. Exodus 10:1

But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go. Exodus 10:20

But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let them go. Exodus 10:27

And Moses and Aaron did all these wonders before Pharaoh: and the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go out of his land. Exodus 11:10

And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, that he shall follow after them; and I will be honoured upon Pharaoh, and upon all his host; that the Egyptians may know that I am the LORD. Exodus 14:4

And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and he pursued after the children of Israel. Exodus 14:8

I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians, and they shall follow them: and I will get me honour. Exodus 14:18

The Pharaoh did.

But when Pharaoh saw that there was respite, he hardened his heart. Exodus 8:15
And Pharaoh hardened his heart at this time also, neither would he let the people go. Exodus 8:32

And when Pharaoh saw that the rain and the hail and the thunders were ceased, he sinned yet more, and hardened his heart, he and his servants. Exodus 9:34

Wherefore then do ye harden your hearts, as the Egyptians and Pharaoh hardened their hearts? 1 Samuel 6:6
Then I read the following: https://www.gotquestions.org/God-harden ... heart.html

Also read: Isaiah 45:9 (NLT)
“What sorrow awaits those who argue with their Creator.
Does a clay pot argue with its maker?
Does the clay dispute with the one who shapes it, saying,
‘Stop, you’re doing it wrong!’
Does the pot exclaim,
‘How clumsy can you be?’
I am convinced that it is morally wrong of the Biblical God to harden the Pharaoh's heart and then punish him for it. I disagree with the stance of the Got Questions Team about this. We are not clay pots. We are sentient beings. All sentient biological beings feel pain and that gives us rights. If God is causing us pain and death then God is culpable. Am I the only one or are there others who feel the same way?

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I haven't advised anyone to do anything. Where did you get that from?
I am unsure where you got that, from what I wrote.

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It sounds as if you have found a way in which to have gratitude.

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William wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 2:44 pm [Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #100]

It sounds as if you have found a way in which to have gratitude.
Maybe I'm lucky but I have a lot to be thankful for, and people to thank, too. Including me :P .

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I am omnibenevolent but I am not omniscient and I am not omnipotent. So, I can't do all the omnibenevolent things I want to do e.g. make all living things forever happy.
Omnibenevolent-possessing perfect or unlimited goodness.

You don't give the impression that you yourself are even happy...
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TRANSPONDER wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 2:47 pm
William wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 2:44 pm [Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #100]

It sounds as if you have found a way in which to have gratitude.
Maybe I'm lucky but I have a lot to be thankful for, and people to thank, too. Including me :P .
Truth be known, most of us do - all we have to do is look.

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William wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 2:40 pm [Replying to Compassionist in post #93]
I haven't advised anyone to do anything. Where did you get that from?
I am unsure where you got that, from what I wrote.
Sorry William, I thought you had said in a post to me "What sane fellow would take the advice of someone who admits to hating the human experience and to having suicidal thoughts?" I reviewed the posts and I see now that it was Transponder who said that to me. I wasn't advising anyone to do anything. I hate all the suffering, injustice and deaths - I don't hate all experiences.

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William wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 2:48 pm [Replying to Compassionist in post #99]
I am omnibenevolent but I am not omniscient and I am not omnipotent. So, I can't do all the omnibenevolent things I want to do e.g. make all living things forever happy.
Omnibenevolent-possessing perfect or unlimited goodness.

You don't give the impression that you yourself are even happy...
Omnibenevolent means being benevolent towards all. I am benevolent towards all. That's why I want to go back in time and prevent all suffering, injustice and deaths and make all living things forever happy. I didn't say I was happy. How can I be happy in a world full of suffering, injustice and deaths?

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[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #97]
I shared the videos about our lack of free will to show you that I am not the only human who thinks that we don't have free will. You don't have to watch either video if you don't want to.

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Compassionist wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 3:42 pm
William wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 2:40 pm [Replying to Compassionist in post #93]
I haven't advised anyone to do anything. Where did you get that from?
I am unsure where you got that, from what I wrote.
Sorry William, I thought you had said in a post to me "What sane fellow would take the advice of someone who admits to hating the human experience and to having suicidal thoughts?" I reviewed the posts and I see now that it was Transponder who said that to me. I wasn't advising anyone to do anything. I hate all the suffering, injustice and deaths - I don't hate all experiences.
Oh I see Compassionist... It was I who wrote that, not Transponder. :)
I think it may have been the way you worded some portion of a previous post which gave me the impression you were offering advice.

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Compassionist wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 3:44 pm
William wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 2:48 pm [Replying to Compassionist in post #99]
I am omnibenevolent but I am not omniscient and I am not omnipotent. So, I can't do all the omnibenevolent things I want to do e.g. make all living things forever happy.
Omnibenevolent-possessing perfect or unlimited goodness.

You don't give the impression that you yourself are even happy...
Omnibenevolent means being benevolent towards all. I am benevolent towards all. That's why I want to go back in time and prevent all suffering, injustice and deaths and make all living things forever happy. I didn't say I was happy. How can I be happy in a world full of suffering, injustice and deaths?
How can one be Omnibenevolent and unhappy at the same time?

Also - I think I asked you why you believed that being omniscient and omnipotent meant that one therefore has unrestricted free-will...have you answered that question?

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