That a man, or men were brought back from the dead is often trivialized, by saying “God can do anything.“
Resurrection, is practically, very difficult. It would be easier to blacken 1000 stars, have a married bachelor, create a triangle with angles whose sum exceeds 180, and so on, than it would be to resurrect a body three days dead.
I find the statement, “God can do anything,” intellectually lazy, and as a justification, poor, one any eight-year-old could come up with, and write it in a book.
Further, for all of its impossibility, it is not a very effective way to tell the truth. A reasonable man, even several reasonable eyewitnesses and several accounts of such an event, would explain it more reasonably as a large scale deception or magicians trick.
Certainly an omniscience deity could trivially discover a better way.
The topic for debate is twofold, why would an omniscient God use such an ineffective method for communicating the truth, and why, would any reasonable person to believe this method?
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Post #121Ok, you weren't sarcastic..you were just simply WRONG.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:30 amI absolutely recognized your sarcasm.We_Are_VENOM wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:11 am [Replying to Athetotheist in post #110]
Do know what sarcasm is?
Look up sarcasm and then say to yourself, "ohhh, that's what he was doing".
I, on the other hand, wasn't being sarcastic.
Don't know if that is a good trade-off.
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Post #122"Impracticability?" More like impossibility.
One of the strangest things about religious belief is that an impossible event is imagined to have actually happened; it is called a "miracle;" then the very fact that the thing that didn't really happen, its "miraculousness" is cited as proof of "god," another absurd impossibility.
It's like building garbage out of garbage, then standing back to admire the pile.
One of the strangest things about religious belief is that an impossible event is imagined to have actually happened; it is called a "miracle;" then the very fact that the thing that didn't really happen, its "miraculousness" is cited as proof of "god," another absurd impossibility.
It's like building garbage out of garbage, then standing back to admire the pile.
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Post #123I was WRONG about what? Am I WRONG because you typed WRONG in all caps?We_Are_VENOM wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 12:00 pmOk, you weren't sarcastic..you were just simply WRONG.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:30 amI absolutely recognized your sarcasm.We_Are_VENOM wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:11 am [Replying to Athetotheist in post #110]
Do know what sarcasm is?
Look up sarcasm and then say to yourself, "ohhh, that's what he was doing".
I, on the other hand, wasn't being sarcastic.
Don't know if that is a good trade-off.
You seem to be losing your sense of humor.
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Post #124About whatever I disagreed with you on, obviously.
No, you are wrong because of your previously made false statements.
I would rather lose my sense of humor, than lose my soul.
All kinda goes back to the trade-off thing I mentioned before.
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Post #125Just calling me wrong-wrong-wrong is hardly a substitute for refuting the positions I've taken. Or is it the info in the link I posted that you can't refute?We_Are_VENOM wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:21 pmAbout whatever I disagreed with you on, obviously.
No, you are wrong because of your previously made false statements.
I would rather lose my sense of humor, than lose my soul.
All kinda goes back to the trade-off thing I mentioned before.
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Post #126No. Although Historians do seek earliest accounts they do not attribute most truth to them........We_Are_VENOM wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:58 am
The early you are to the source, the more truth value you will obtain. Historians know and appreciate stuff like that.
Many a lie has been told early.
Paul didn't write down anything about the Baptist, Jesus, their missions, any incidents, and I don't think he cared much about them.
If you want to hang your hat on Paul's claims about a last meal and what he thought Jesus said and did there then that's up to you.
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Post #127The above quotes were your answers :-We_Are_VENOM wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:58 am
Seems clear to me.
The question is so irrelevant, that answering yes/no would give it more attention that it deserve.
1. About that last week.
2. A clear indication that (imo) you have no confidence about that last week or you would be able to answer the most simple question.
That on that last 'Palm' Sunday, Jesus and his disciples went sightseeing (modern term) around the Temple after entering Jerusalem until leaving to go back to Bethany, a simple fact that you class as irrelevant, shows a researcher that Jesus might not have been so familiar with the Temple as some imagine, that many Northern Jews may not have attended as many feasts as required each year...... and more. There may be connections there to verses such as Pilate spilling Galilean blood with sacrifices in as much as some Northerners may have been feasting at other venues and Temple funds being lost through that. In fact there are many interesting and relevant points concerning that day's itinerary.
Irrelevant, you say. So I don't think you're too much acquainted with the whole picture as described.
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Post #128Please....can I ask you another easy question?
What do you think that Jesus and his disciples did on that last...... ummmm...... Tuesday?
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Post #129Yeah, but the liars and believers of the lies wouldn't be the same people.
Catch my drift?
OR, he wasn't writing with/for those intended purposes.Paul didn't write down anything about the Baptist, Jesus, their missions, any incidents, and I don't think he cared much about them.
Ever think of that one?
*Hangs hat nice and neatly*If you want to hang your hat on Paul's claims about a last meal and what he thought Jesus said and did there then that's up to you.
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Post #130If the Bible doesn't care about what happened during that last week excluding the things that it recorded about the last week, then neither do I.
Your concerns, as genuine as they are...pertains to a whole lot of NOTHING.That on that last 'Palm' Sunday, Jesus and his disciples went sightseeing (modern term) around the Temple after entering Jerusalem until leaving to go back to Bethany, a simple fact that you class as irrelevant, shows a researcher that Jesus might not have been so familiar with the Temple as some imagine, that many Northern Jews may not have attended as many feasts as required each year...... and more. There may be connections there to verses such as Pilate spilling Galilean blood with sacrifices in as much as some Northerners may have been feasting at other venues and Temple funds being lost through that. In fact there are many interesting and relevant points concerning that day's itinerary.
Irrelevant, you say. So I don't think you're too much acquainted with the whole picture as described.
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