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Please offer direct evidence for the existence of God, and some means to confirm it is direct evidence.
Direct evidence for the existence of God.
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Direct evidence for the existence of God.
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Re: Direct evidence for the existence of God.
Post #2Good is the creator. Created things are the evidence for creator. We can see the created things, therefore we have evidence for the creator.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:39 am For debate:
Please offer direct evidence for the existence of God, and some means to confirm it is direct evidence.
If this is not direct evidence, can you show an example of direct evidence for anything?
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Re: Direct evidence for the existence of God.
Post #3[Replying to 1213 in post #2]
“Nothing is ever created nor destroyed - only transformed from one state to another.”
If nothing was ever created, your belief is specious. No creation, no creator.
Is there any reason to believe the barely coherent ramblings of 3rd century goat hoarders over repeated and I unviolated observation, that is applied in nearly every discipline of science, engineering and technology?
“Nothing is ever created nor destroyed - only transformed from one state to another.”
If nothing was ever created, your belief is specious. No creation, no creator.
Is there any reason to believe the barely coherent ramblings of 3rd century goat hoarders over repeated and I unviolated observation, that is applied in nearly every discipline of science, engineering and technology?
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Re: Direct evidence for the existence of God.
Post #4So unevidenced assertions're direct evidence of God's existence?1213 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:18 amGod is the creator. [JK corrected from "good"]JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:39 am For debate:
Please offer direct evidence for the existence of God, and some means to confirm it is direct evidence.
You've not shown the universe was created, so your assertions to that effect're empty.Created things are the evidence for creator. We can see the created things, therefore we have evidence for the creator.
I'm under no obligation to support claims I ain't made.If this is not direct evidence, can you show an example of direct evidence for anything?
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Re: Direct evidence for the existence of God.
Post #5What criteria do you apply to establish that the things you see have been created or not?
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Re: Direct evidence for the existence of God.
Post #6I think we can. In the old days, comets and lightning were considered supernatural events. We now know they are not. The appeal to Creation is now under pressure as creation accepting to Genesis is not in accordance with the evidence, and you have to choose to adapt Godfaith to what the science says about the development of Life (give or take the origins of DNA) or stick on science- denial.1213 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:18 amGood is the creator. Created things are the evidence for creator. We can see the created things, therefore we have evidence for the creator.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:39 am For debate:
Please offer direct evidence for the existence of God, and some means to confirm it is direct evidence.
If this is not direct evidence, can you show an example of direct evidence for anything?
But look at the title. 'God'. Not 'a god'. Even if the case for creation was validated, that only gets you to Allah or Shiva. What is the 'direct' evidence for Bible -god?
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Re: Direct evidence for the existence of God.
Post #7When "science" offers nothing meaningful as real evidence for its claims, I have no intelligent reason to even consider it as an option against Genesis.TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:43 am ...The appeal to Creation is now under pressure as creation accepting to Genesis is not in accordance with the evidence, and you have to choose to adapt Godfaith to what the science says about the development of Life (give or take the origins of DNA) or stick on science- denial.
Bible God shows knowledge and understanding that no other god shows. That is why I reject the others.TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:43 amBut look at the title. 'God'. Not 'a god'. Even if the case for creation was validated, that only gets you to Allah or Shiva. What is the 'direct' evidence for Bible -god?
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Re: Direct evidence for the existence of God.
Post #8For example, if life could begin from dead material without God, I think we should be able to observe it happening in nature. We don't see that, therefore creator is needed.
But, my point was only to show what is the evidence for God. Evidence doesn't necessary mean that the matter is true, it is only a sign for that it mat be so. God and probably everything else remain always a matter of belief.
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Re: Direct evidence for the existence of God.
Post #9If evidence means "the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid", created things are evidence for creator. That things exist indicates that someone created them. However, I understand and agree that there can be other explanations. My point is not to claim that creation is a fact, only that we can see things that indicate that things could have been created. If we would not see anything that the Bible tells were created, we could tell that Bible is not probably true, but because we can see the things, we have evidence it might be true, as I believe it is. Evidence is not a proof and there can be also other explanations for the evidence.Willum wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:56 am [Replying to 1213 in post #2]
“Nothing is ever created nor destroyed - only transformed from one state to another.”
If nothing was ever created, your belief is specious. No creation, no creator.
Is there any reason to believe the barely coherent ramblings of 3rd century goat hoarders over repeated and I unviolated observation, that is applied in nearly every discipline of science, engineering and technology?
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Re: Direct evidence for the existence of God.
Post #10Science shows hard evidence and indeed verification for its' claims. If you dismiss and deny that, it is up to you, but it is no case or argument and certainly no hard evidence for a god.1213 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:05 amWhen "science" offers nothing meaningful as real evidence for its claims, I have no intelligent reason to even consider it as an option against Genesis.TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:43 am ...The appeal to Creation is now under pressure as creation accepting to Genesis is not in accordance with the evidence, and you have to choose to adapt Godfaith to what the science says about the development of Life (give or take the origins of DNA) or stick on science- denial.
Bible God shows knowledge and understanding that no other god shows. That is why I reject the others.TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:43 amBut look at the title. 'God'. Not 'a god'. Even if the case for creation was validated, that only gets you to Allah or Shiva. What is the 'direct' evidence for Bible -god?
Bible God shows no admirable morality, knowledge or understanding. Denial of science and dubious faithclaims do not make a case for God.