Direct evidence for the existence of God.

[JoeyKnothead]

For debate:

Please offer direct evidence for the existence of God, and some means to confirm it is direct evidence.

[1213]

For debate:

Please offer direct evidence for the existence of God, and some means to confirm it is direct evidence.

Good is the creator. Created things are the evidence for creator. We can see the created things, therefore we have evidence for the creator.

If this is not direct evidence, can you show an example of direct evidence for anything?

[Willum]

[Replying to 1213 in post #2]

“Nothing is ever created nor destroyed - only transformed from one state to another.”

If nothing was ever created, your belief is specious. No creation, no creator.

Is there any reason to believe the barely coherent ramblings of 3rd century goat hoarders over repeated and I unviolated observation, that is applied in nearly every discipline of science, engineering and technology?

[JoeyKnothead]

For debate:

Please offer direct evidence for the existence of God, and some means to confirm it is direct evidence.

God is the creator. [JK corrected from "good"]

So unevidenced assertions're direct evidence of God's existence?

Created things are the evidence for creator. We can see the created things, therefore we have evidence for the creator.

You've not shown the universe was created, so your assertions to that effect're empty.

If this is not direct evidence, can you show an example of direct evidence for anything?

I'm under no obligation to support claims I ain't made.

[brunumb]

We can see the created things, therefore we have evidence for the creator.

What criteria do you apply to establish that the things you see have been created or not?

[TRANSPONDER]

For debate:

Please offer direct evidence for the existence of God, and some means to confirm it is direct evidence.

Good is the creator. Created things are the evidence for creator. We can see the created things, therefore we have evidence for the creator.

If this is not direct evidence, can you show an example of direct evidence for anything?

I think we can. In the old days, comets and lightning were considered supernatural events. We now know they are not. The appeal to Creation is now under pressure as creation accepting to Genesis is not in accordance with the evidence, and you have to choose to adapt Godfaith to what the science says about the development of Life (give or take the origins of DNA) or stick on science- denial.

But look at the title. 'God'. Not 'a god'. Even if the case for creation was validated, that only gets you to Allah or Shiva. What is the 'direct' evidence for Bible -god?

[1213]

...The appeal to Creation is now under pressure as creation accepting to Genesis is not in accordance with the evidence, and you have to choose to adapt Godfaith to what the science says about the development of Life (give or take the origins of DNA) or stick on science- denial.

When "science" offers nothing meaningful as real evidence for its claims, I have no intelligent reason to even consider it as an option against Genesis.

But look at the title. 'God'. Not 'a god'. Even if the case for creation was validated, that only gets you to Allah or Shiva. What is the 'direct' evidence for Bible -god?

Bible God shows knowledge and understanding that no other god shows. That is why I reject the others.

[1213]

We can see the created things, therefore we have evidence for the creator.

What criteria do you apply to establish that the things you see have been created or not?

For example, if life could begin from dead material without God, I think we should be able to observe it happening in nature. We don't see that, therefore creator is needed.

But, my point was only to show what is the evidence for God. Evidence doesn't necessary mean that the matter is true, it is only a sign for that it mat be so. God and probably everything else remain always a matter of belief.

[1213]

[Replying to 1213 in post #2]

“Nothing is ever created nor destroyed - only transformed from one state to another.”

If nothing was ever created, your belief is specious. No creation, no creator.

Is there any reason to believe the barely coherent ramblings of 3rd century goat hoarders over repeated and I unviolated observation, that is applied in nearly every discipline of science, engineering and technology?

If evidence means "the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid", created things are evidence for creator. That things exist indicates that someone created them. However, I understand and agree that there can be other explanations. My point is not to claim that creation is a fact, only that we can see things that indicate that things could have been created. If we would not see anything that the Bible tells were created, we could tell that Bible is not probably true, but because we can see the things, we have evidence it might be true, as I believe it is. Evidence is not a proof and there can be also other explanations for the evidence.

[TRANSPONDER]

...The appeal to Creation is now under pressure as creation accepting to Genesis is not in accordance with the evidence, and you have to choose to adapt Godfaith to what the science says about the development of Life (give or take the origins of DNA) or stick on science- denial.

When "science" offers nothing meaningful as real evidence for its claims, I have no intelligent reason to even consider it as an option against Genesis.

But look at the title. 'God'. Not 'a god'. Even if the case for creation was validated, that only gets you to Allah or Shiva. What is the 'direct' evidence for Bible -god?

Bible God shows knowledge and understanding that no other god shows. That is why I reject the others.

Science shows hard evidence and indeed verification for its' claims. If you dismiss and deny that, it is up to you, but it is no case or argument and certainly no hard evidence for a god.

Bible God shows no admirable morality, knowledge or understanding. Denial of science and dubious faithclaims do not make a case for God.