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Racism in America - How should we address it?

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https://time.com/5844645/george-floyds-shows-we-cannot-wait-end-racism/ wrote: George Floyd’s Murder Shows Once More That We Cannot Wait For White America to End Racism

George Floyd was murdered, and it was captured on camera. Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin had his knee pinned against Floyd’s neck for close to eight minutes. We heard a haunting repetition of the words “I can’t breathe.” Floyd cried out for his deceased mother and called out for his children as he desperately clung to life. Chauvin sat there, smug, hand in his pocket, with little regard for the man dying underneath the pressure of his knee. All of this over someone allegedly trying to use a counterfeit twenty-dollar bill at a local deli.
For debate:
- How should we address the racism in America?

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Quantrill,

'racism' in and of itself is not evil or wrong. It is natural.

differences in the races exist

The New Testament teaches "there is neither Greek (Gentile) or Jew (Israelite), all are equal before God" ~ Ephesians 2:19

Therefore, racism is a violation of divine law.

whites try and function and maintain the law
Murrah Building, Davidian cult burns building killing innocent children, Gordon Kahl, KKK, mafia, orgaqnized crime, corporations lobbying government to invade foreign countries to topple their governments so as to steal resources such as in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc ~ all viewed by some as examples of white violence.

there is no solution to the race question
Those who disregard the Bible may view things that way but a true Christian never would.

blacks ... loot and burn and have their way
Are you referring to the events in Minneapolis? Many of the looters are white. In terms of dollars stolen, how does that violence compare to white business looting such as:

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/05/loot ... orge-floyd

When blacks are so united across the nation that there will be no peace or stability.
Hitler (an enemy of the USA) said the same about Jews.

It is time ... for a real civil war. A race war.
I am startled that such words are permitted in a Christian website.


A gentle reminder that this is a Bible based website. We must adhere to its teachings at all times. Jesus is Prince of Peace and told us to be at Peace with ALL men. Calling for war is antithetical to all he taught. Please re-read the Bible and post Christian based words in light of those facts.

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Quantrill wrote: Sat May 30, 2020 7:21 pmWhy don't white people destroy, loot, and burn their town down when a black kills a white person?
The same reason prison guards don't riot and damage the prison if a prisoner attacks a guard.

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otseng wrote: Sat May 30, 2020 4:58 pm We need to stop these insane monetary policies where it is getting the rich richer and the poor poorer. George Floyd ultimately died for the crime of using a counterfeit twenty. Meanwhile, the Fed is counterfeiting/printing trillions with most all of it ending up with those close to the Fed and nobody bats an eye.
I think that no human effort can ever bring mankind true peace and security; only Jehovah God's kingdom with Christ Jesus can do that. However, in the meantime, if mankind were to do something which could alleviate their suffering as much as possible to the greatest extent, it would be to discontinue the use of money. International and Fractional Reserve Banking, a debt based economy or any other monetary system should be dismantled because, though useful in the past it has become a tremendous hindrance. At the same time, science and technology has developed to the point where it can take it's place and far more efficiently provide for the needs of every man, woman and child on the planet. Many of the environmental, social, political and even religious problems would be solved inasmuch as is possible once the monetary incentive so potentially subject to abuse is removed.

That and implementing and protecting the rights of individuals rather than groups. Unjust laws, statutes, regulations and taxes gone. National, political, social, racial, religious, financial and sexual divisions removed. The effects of such a move would be tremendous, I think.
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koko wrote: Sat May 30, 2020 9:20 pm
Quantrill,

'racism' in and of itself is not evil or wrong. It is natural.

differences in the races exist

The New Testament teaches "there is neither Greek (Gentile) or Jew (Israelite), all are equal before God" ~ Ephesians 2:19

Therefore, racism is a violation of divine law.

whites try and function and maintain the law
Murrah Building, Davidian cult burns building killing innocent children, Gordon Kahl, KKK, mafia, orgaqnized crime, corporations lobbying government to invade foreign countries to topple their governments so as to steal resources such as in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc ~ all viewed by some as examples of white violence.

there is no solution to the race question
Those who disregard the Bible may view things that way but a true Christian never would.

blacks ... loot and burn and have their way
Are you referring to the events in Minneapolis? Many of the looters are white. In terms of dollars stolen, how does that violence compare to white business looting such as:

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/05/loot ... orge-floyd

When blacks are so united across the nation that there will be no peace or stability.
Hitler (an enemy of the USA) said the same about Jews.

It is time ... for a real civil war. A race war.
I am startled that such words are permitted in a Christian website.


A gentle reminder that this is a Bible based website. We must adhere to its teachings at all times. Jesus is Prince of Peace and told us to be at Peace with ALL men. Calling for war is antithetical to all he taught. Please re-read the Bible and post Christian based words in light of those facts.
I understand this is a Bible based website. And, I am Christian. The name of the website speaks to Christianity and politics. The subject in question speaks to racism in America. Not the Church.

Concening (Eph. 2:19), that speaks to the Church.

Who do you think created the races? God did. Why are the Jews God's chosen people? Because He wanted a 'distinction'.

Of course you will have some whites caught up and guilty of the rioting and looting and destruction. But it is a black riot. I am looking at race as a whole. Not just here is one example of a white man doing a wrong thing. Just like the protests in Michigan against the shutdown were white. Some even carried guns. Yet all was done in accordance to the law. No rioting, looting, and destruction.

Don't play the Hitler card. It is old and of little value. And, I was explaining what will happen if the riots get so out of hand.

You misrepresent me with the way you pieced my words together. I am surprised that is allowed. If you read what I said, I was explaining what will eventually occur.

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koko wrote: Sat May 30, 2020 3:21 pm
Brother Elijah,


Racism did not cause all this rioting. Anarchists and self-righteous spoiled brats did. They could have protested without destruction, but they lost that opportunity. I hope that they too are prosecuted to the full extent of the law.


Governor Walz, Mayor Frey (Minneapolis), and Mayor Carter (St Paul) all agree that 80% of the agitators are not from Minnesotans. Mayor Carter said that 100% of all people arrested in his city are from out of state. All agreed that some of these suspects are associated with hate filled white supremacists who are there to foment racial trouble, not to protest injustices. All three made speeches today that are available on you tube.
AG Barr said it was a Federal crime to cross state lines to participate or instigate riots.

I'm thinkin' Antifa and Black-Lives-Matter is more responsible for these particular episodes of violence than white supremacists, Left- Wing and CNN narrative notwithstanding. I saw no skinheads, swastikas etc in the crowds. I saw no-counter protestors.and I watched the coverage for several nights straight on both Fox and CNN. The footage of looters I saw were overwhelmingly NOT white. The whites I saw rioting with blacks looked like young spoiled-brat college students, or masked Antifa types, not skinheads or neo-nazis. Antifa are anarchists, so it is their m.o. to destroy the structures of society. In short, the rioters are parasites who contribute nothing constructive to society, they only know how destroy.

Now having said this, yes, actual white supremacists are evil too, but these most recent events, I see no evidence of their involvement. Only unsupported speculation by some mayors and guest pundits on CNN who make unchallenged charges and are met with nods of approval by the CNN hosts.

Yes, racism is still a problem in society. But not nearly as bad as it was in the sixties and earlier. CNN attempts to keep racial resentments alive by inflaming every episode, whether justified or not. CNN makes it seem that racism is prevalent by failing to provide perspective. Yes, there is police brutality, but whites are often the victims of that as well as blacks. But the episodes of white victimization by police go unreported. CNN gives no perspective, only inflammatory rhetoric and biased reporting. And I am amazed that even after their world headquarters in Atlanta was breached by these thugs and radicals (white and black), they continue with their lack of condemnation for anarchy. People can condemn both racism AND anarchy, some do, but CNN seems unwilling or unable to do so consistently and explicitly. I saw very few mentions on CNN the last few nights on how rioting ultimately destroys these black neighborhoods, and perpetuates poverty.

Episodes of racist police episodes are extremely rare, and not nearly as common as CNN and other Left-wing institutions and politicians would have us believe. They do happen, but cops are not out to get blacks, the vast majority of them are not anyway. That perspective should be kept in mind. Because CNN does not provide it. Instead, people on CNN state that violence is the voice of frustration from people who don't think their voice is being heard. Tacit approval and defense of the indefensible. CNN is part of the problem. To the Left, conservative speech is "violence" that must be shouted down, censored and silenced, but rioting and looting is "speech". Twisted.

Yes, actual, real racism should be addressed. But CNN is pretty much ignoring the even greater problem of destructive anarchy in this country. Who is going to pay for the havoc they wreak? How many businesses are going to rebuild, and re-invest in these communities that parasitic anarchists (black and white) have destroyed? Do you think Target will be rebuilding in that section of Minneapolis? I doubt it.
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koko wrote: Sat May 30, 2020 9:20 pm
It is time ... for a real civil war. A race war.
I am startled that such words are permitted in a Christian website.


A gentle reminder that this is a Bible based website. We must adhere to its teachings at all times. Jesus is Prince of Peace and told us to be at Peace with ALL men. Calling for war is antithetical to all he taught. Please re-read the Bible and post Christian based words in light of those facts.
Just a note, this is not a Christian website. There is no requirement for anyone to subscribe to any Christian position here. All views are welcome, provided they are civil and do not attack others.

Also, to discuss this subject, we need a degree of openness and tolerance. People will have views that we do not agree with, perhaps even strongly disagree with. But I believe honesty needs to be encouraged if we are to get to any solution.

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The first step in eliminating racism is for the government to stop inquiring as to one's race.

By asking that question, the implication is that it makes a difference.

=======================================================

The United States actually took a first feeble step towards that goal:

Years ago, I went to a government office to apply for a job.

One question on the application was my race.

I was heartened by the fact that in parenthesis the application stated "you do not have to respond to this question."

That's nice -- I thought.

So I skipped that question.

Upon handing in the completed application, the secretary quickly reviewed it, glanced up at me, checked the box indicating my race (which I had left blank), and said "Thank you."

Feeble first step avoided!

I did not get the job.

===========================================================

If one asks about some difference, then we were not all created equal!

And if we don't stand up for every individual citizen, then all of us are put at risk:
=========================================================

German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller put it this way:

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

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Elijah John wrote: Sun May 31, 2020 8:16 am

AG Barr said it was a Federal crime to cross state lines to participate or instigate riots.

I'm thinkin' Antifa and Black-Lives-Matter is more responsible for these particular episodes of violence than white supremacists, Left- Wing and CNN narrative notwithstanding. I saw no skinheads, swastikas etc in the crowds. I saw no-counter protestors.and I watched the coverage for several nights straight on both Fox and CNN. The footage of looters I saw were overwhelmingly NOT white. The whites I saw rioting with blacks looked like young spoiled-brat college students, or masked Antifa types, not skinheads or neo-nazis. Antifa are anarchists, so it is their m.o. to destroy the structures of society. In short, the rioters are parasites who contribute nothing constructive to society, they only know how destroy.

Now having said this, yes, actual white supremacists are evil too, but these most recent events, I see no evidence of their involvement. Only unsupported speculation by some mayors and guest pundits on CNN who make unchallenged charges and are met with nods of approval by the CNN hosts.

Yes, racism is still a problem in society. But not nearly as bad as it was in the sixties and earlier. CNN attempts to keep racial resentments alive by inflaming every episode, whether justified or not. CNN makes it seem that racism is prevalent by failing to provide perspective. Yes, there is police brutality, but whites are often the victims of that as well as blacks. But the episodes of white victimization by police go unreported. CNN gives no perspective, only inflammatory rhetoric and biased reporting. And I am amazed that even after their world headquarters in Atlanta was breached by these thugs and radicals (white and black), they continue with their lack of condemnation for anarchy. People can condemn both racism AND anarchy, some do, but CNN seems unwilling or unable to do so consistently and explicitly. I saw very few mentions on CNN the last few nights on how rioting ultimately destroys these black neighborhoods, and perpetuates poverty.

Episodes of racist police episodes are extremely rare, and not nearly as common as CNN and other Left-wing institutions and politicians would have us believe. They do happen, but cops are not out to get blacks, the vast majority of them are not anyway. That perspective should be kept in mind. Because CNN does not provide it. Instead, people on CNN state that violence is the voice of frustration from people who don't think their voice is being heard. Tacit approval and defense of the indefensible. CNN is part of the problem. To the Left, conservative speech is "violence" that must be shouted down, censored and silenced, but rioting and looting is "speech". Twisted.

Yes, actual, real racism should be addressed. But CNN is pretty much ignoring the even greater problem of destructive anarchy in this country. Who is going to pay for the havoc they wreak? How many businesses are going to rebuild, and re-invest in these communities that parasitic anarchists (black and white) have destroyed? Do you think Target will be rebuilding in that section of Minneapolis? I doubt it.



Videos shows much of the violence was instigated by whites who torch a building or car and then disappear into the crowd. Then the police come and arrest black bystanders. This has been shown on tv to a minor extent but it is shown much more online. Example:




This clearly shows the shoving is done by undercover cops or agent provocateurs.


I can give you more but am concerned about the content as they often contain profane langauge and extreme violence. You may google for more.


As for "destructive anarchy" it will, of course, be remembered that the Bible teaches "no justice, no peace". The Founding Fathers taught this as well. A society in which there is violence, crime, anarchy, is one in which there is no justice. Like it or not, it is the injustices that cause all the violence. Cops killing innocents is violence, unjust or selective enforcement of the law based on race or ethicity, disparate jail sentences, and other such actions are crimes as well and they are what lead to the troubles today. When abusive government hurts people it is only natural that they rebel. Our Founding Fathers did. And they gave us the 2d Amendment in order to insure that we would have the right to protect ourselves against government abuse. If people's voices will not be heard by government then they may have no alternative but to use those Constitutional rights.



Just more proof of police violence:


police destroy cache of water intended for public use:




police use vicous dog to attack helpless victim:


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myth-one.com wrote: Sun May 31, 2020 11:54 am
The first step in eliminating racism is for the government to stop inquiring as to one's race.

By asking that question, the implication is that it makes a difference.

=======================================================

The United States actually took a first feeble step towards that goal:

Years ago, I went to a government office to apply for a job.

One question on the application was my race.

I was heartened by the fact that in parenthesis the application stated "you do not have to respond to this question."

That's nice -- I thought.

So I skipped that question.

Upon handing in the completed application, the secretary quickly reviewed it, glanced up at me, checked the box indicating my race (which I had left blank), and said "Thank you."

Feeble first step avoided!

I did not get the job.

===========================================================

If one asks about some difference, then we were not all created equal!

And if we don't stand up for every individual citizen, then all of us are put at risk ...



I am Hispanic and despite having two college degrees and an excellent work record, I did not advance during my many years of working for the government. I trained many white employees and they got the promotions I applied for. This happened to me many times so I left the government. Never found any use for my 2 degrees. Today as a retiree in poor health, I survive on Social Security and SNAP.

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otseng wrote: Sun May 31, 2020 9:20 am
Just a note, this is not a Christian website. There is no requirement for anyone to subscribe to any Christian position here. All views are welcome, provided they are civil and do not attack others.

Also, to discuss this subject, we need a degree of openness and tolerance. People will have views that we do not agree with, perhaps even strongly disagree with. But I believe honesty needs to be encouraged if we are to get to any solution.
OK. What I meant was a Christian teaching based site. Is that correct?

And yes, I appreciate honest exchange of ideas. However, I am troubled by anything that bespeaks of bigotry as that is clearly inconsistent with Biblical teaching.

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