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Regarding the protests.

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Regarding the protests arising from the killing of George Floyd, several questions and observations for debate.

1) Are protests granted without permits nowadays? Have all these US cities given all these protesters permits to protest? And for how long?

2) Can protesters who block traffic and scream at motorists still be considered "peaceful protestors"? Where is the bar set for a "peaceful protest"? Simply no physical violence, looting or destruction of other people's property? Seems a very low bar indeed. Do "peaceful protesters" even meet this low bar?

3) Is there any such crime as "disturbing the peace" anymore? Are "peaceful protesters" keeping or disturbing the peace?

4) Are folks who chant and scream "no justice no peace" really intent on peaceful protest? Or is this incitement to violence and threatening behavior. Should people who chant this be held accountable for rioting and looting that almost always follows their "peaceful" protests and chanting?

5) Does engaging in protests and rioting confer immunity on people from contracting the Covid 19 virus? Why do so many politicians condone the protests while insisting that opening businesses, visiting relatives or attending other gatherings put everyone at risk for the virus? Is there a vaccine for hypocrisy?

6) Whatever happened to the prayerful, candlelight vigil as a form of protest? Don't prayerful, candlelight vigils really better exemplify the peaceful protest?

7) And finally, is the right to protest and unlimited right? If so, where are the protests for protection of police? For the preservation of Western Civilization and it's monuments? Cant people protest unjust killings on both sides?
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Re: Regarding the protests.

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[Replying to Elijah John in post #1]

1st Amendment to the Constitution: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

How should the part in bold be modified to fit present situations?

Require permits (and fees)?
Limit the number of people?
Restrict where citizens may assemble?
Limit hours permissible?

Is it okay for states or cities to abridge the right to peaceably assemble?

If states and cities are legally entitled to ignore the 1st Amendment to restrict free exercise of right of assembly, they are equally entitled to also ignore the 1st Amendment and restrict free exercise of religion.

Fair enough?

I agree that perpetrators of violence and damage should be arrested and prosecuted (just as should 'bad cops'). However, non-violent / non-damaging people have every right to protest.

It seems s though many people are all for the Constitution as long as it protects them and their agenda -- not so much when it protects others or different agendas.
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Zzyzx wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:11 pm .
[Replying to Elijah John in post #1]

1st Amendment to the Constitution: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

How should the part in bold be modified to fit present situations?

Require permits (and fees)?
Limit the number of people?
Restrict where citizens may assemble?
Limit hours permissible?

Is it okay for states or cities to abridge the right to peaceably assemble?

If states and cities are legally entitled to ignore the 1st Amendment to restrict free exercise of right of assembly, they are equally entitled to also ignore the 1st Amendment and restrict free exercise of religion.

Fair enough?

I agree that perpetrators of violence and damage should be arrested and prosecuted (just as should 'bad cops'). However, non-violent / non-damaging people have every right to protest.

It seems s though many people are all for the Constitution as long as it protects them and their agenda -- not so much when it protects others or different agendas.
Elijah's questions, 2 thru 7, are not covered by your point. Does "peaceful" only exclude violence or does it exclude any type of unruly or disruptive behavior? I think we can all agree that "threats" of harm should not be covered under the first amendment. Some interpret "no justice, NO peace" (isn't that against "peaceful" protest?) as a threat, especially given all of the looting going on. Yet, that is a common theme expressed during Black Lives Matter protests. We can't also forget the domestic terrorists that have taken over Seattle. Their mayor calls it a "festival". How does a "festival" advocate for Black people? The Liberals are just all over the place.

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AgnosticBoy wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:16 pm
The Liberals are just all over the place.
Which of EJ's questions is this odd proclamation intended to address or is it a mistake to consider it an attempt to provide relevant debate?


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[Replying to AgnosticBoy in post #3]

Do you agree with:

"If states and cities are legally entitled to ignore the 1st Amendment to restrict free exercise of right of assembly, they are equally entitled to also ignore the 1st Amendment and restrict free exercise of religion."
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It was literal criminal assault. ⁣




As usual, it is the right wingers who are engaging in criminal violence with police looking the other way. At any other time the police would have stopped it.

Forum right wingers continue to insist it is the left that is violent. The record, however, shows it is the right that are the violent ones.





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Zzyzx wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:38 pm .
[Replying to AgnosticBoy in post #3]

Do you agree with:

"If states and cities are legally entitled to ignore the 1st Amendment to restrict free exercise of right of assembly, they are equally entitled to also ignore the 1st Amendment and restrict free exercise of religion."
Here is another way to look at it. If states, like New York, are willing to allow protests even while there's a viral pandemic, then they should also be willing to allow religious expression such as public gatherings for Church service.

Fair enough?

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As you can see from post #6 above, there was no complaint from right wingers on this forum over right wing violence.

Now we have this:


https://www.wsls.com/news/virginia/2020 ... es-matter/


"The mayor of Richmond thanked the Black Lives Matter protesters he said tried to stop the white supremacists from spearheading the violence."



https://www.nbc12.com/2020/07/25/protes ... -set-fire/


“There were white supremacists marching under the banner of Black Lives Matter, an attempt to undermine an otherwise overwhelmingly peaceful movement toward social justice,” Mayor Stoney said.''



Both the mayor and police chief THANKED the peaceful people of BLM for promoting PEACE while the right wing white supremacists were creating violence. Let us finally see forum right wingers condemn right wing violence and hate.

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koko wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:26 am As you can see from post #6 above, there was no complaint from right wingers on this forum over right wing violence.

Now we have this:


https://www.wsls.com/news/virginia/2020 ... es-matter/


"The mayor of Richmond thanked the Black Lives Matter protesters he said tried to stop the white supremacists from spearheading the violence."



https://www.nbc12.com/2020/07/25/protes ... -set-fire/


“There were white supremacists marching under the banner of Black Lives Matter, an attempt to undermine an otherwise overwhelmingly peaceful movement toward social justice,” Mayor Stoney said.''



Both the mayor and police chief THANKED the peaceful people of BLM for promoting PEACE while the right wing white supremacists were creating violence. Let us finally see forum right wingers condemn right wing violence and hate.
Shall we post videos of non-Whites committing crimes during protests? Would they count as "White" supremacists?

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Elijah John wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:40 pm 1) Are protests granted without permits nowadays? Have all these US cities given all these protesters permits to protest? And for how long?
Don't know and don't particularly care, as people have a right to protest.
2) Can protesters who block traffic and scream at motorists still be considered "peaceful protestors"? Where is the bar set for a "peaceful protest"? Simply no physical violence, looting or destruction of other people's property? Seems a very low bar indeed. Do "peaceful protesters" even meet this low bar?
Yes. Yes and yes.
3) Is there any such crime as "disturbing the peace" anymore? Are "peaceful protesters" keeping or disturbing the peace?
Yes. Disturbing.
4) Are folks who chant and scream "no justice no peace" really intent on peaceful protest? Or is this incitement to violence and threatening behavior. Should people who chant this be held accountable for rioting and looting that almost always follows their "peaceful" protests and chanting?
So far, yes. Not yet. No.
5) Does engaging in protests and rioting confer immunity on people from contracting the Covid 19 virus? Why do so many politicians condone the protests while insisting that opening businesses, visiting relatives or attending other gatherings put everyone at risk for the virus? Is there a vaccine for hypocrisy?
No. Don't know. No.
6) Whatever happened to the prayerful, candlelight vigil as a form of protest? Don't prayerful, candlelight vigils really better exemplify the peaceful protest?
Too easy to ignore. Yes.
7) And finally, is the right to protest and unlimited right? If so, where are the protests for protection of police? For the preservation of Western Civilization and it's monuments? Cant people protest unjust killings on both sides?
No. Don't know. Don't know. Yes.

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