"It's only a few who are violent"

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"It's only a few who are violent"

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One often hears the refrain from the Left that "it's only a few who are violent or who riot, most are peaceful protestors".
If that were the case, then why don't the leaders in these troubled, Democrat-run cities restore law and order?

Are they unable? Or unwilling to restore and maintain law and order and stop the arson, looting and rioting?
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Bust Nak wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:45 am Isn't the answer already in your question? There is no need to escalate things because most are peaceful protestors.
Most protestors = 55% were peaceful

Violent protestors= 1% White supremacists (alleged) and 44% BLM/other Left wing groups
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[Replying to AgnosticBoy in post #11]

I found it very interesting that you would contrast peaceful protestors with BLM/other Left wing groups as if they are mutually exclusive. Is it fair to assume those figures are pluck out of thin air to make a point about anything over 50% qualify as a majority?

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Bust Nak wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:45 am Isn't the answer already in your question? There is no need to escalate things because most are peaceful protestors.
Those "few" violent ones then, are causing tremendous damage in cities like Portland and Seattle. Why do their mayors allow it?

And truly peaceful protesters would respect curfews, and orders to disband etc. They would protest in a peaceful and orderly fashion, and would otherwise co-operate with police instead of throwing things at them, blinding them with lasers etc. It is the rioters who are escalating, not the police.

Who's setting the fires? Last I heard, arson was a capital crime and a serious felony.
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Elijah John wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:35 pm Those "few" violent ones then, are causing tremendous damage in cities like Portland and Seattle. Why do their mayors allow it?
They are caught where it's convenient. Where it is not, the risk of escalation is not worth it.
And truly peaceful protesters would respect curfews, and orders to disband etc. They would protest in a peaceful and orderly fashion, and would otherwise co-operate with police instead of throwing things at them, blinding them with lasers etc. It is the rioters who are escalating, not the police.
It should stop there. Hold the line, take the projectile and lasers.
Who's setting the fires?
Specifically, no idea. Generally, the protestors.
Last I heard, arson was a capital crime and a serious felony.
The seriousness depends on the degree of risk to human life.

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AgnosticBoy wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:21 am
koko wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:50 am Contrary to the myth that Antifa or BLM are creating violence, it is disguised white supremacists who are fomenting violence:



https://www.wsls.com/news/virginia/2020 ... es-matter/


Police: Richmond riots instigated by white supremacists disguised as Black Lives Matter



“There were white supremacists marching under the banner of Black Lives Matter, an attempt to undermine an otherwise overwhelmingly peaceful movement toward social justice,” - Mayor Stoney.



https://www.nbc12.com/2020/07/25/protes ... -set-fire/




Yes, it is only a few who are violent - a few white supremacists, undercover cops, and European/Slavic agents as I have proven on other threads.
I saw a Black male among those arrested. It's one thing to say that SOME of the violence is caused by White supremacists but it's another to say all of it is when there is clear evidence of minorities causing crime, assaulting white police officers, etc.

If your source says that all of the crime is caused by white supremacist as opposed to a small percentage, then your source is fake news.



When your hero Trump says Antifa is the cause of the violence without presenting a shred of evidence to prove his claim, I'd say your criticism should go to him for fomenting hate and violence like the white supremacists do.

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[Replying to koko in post #15]

Look many in the LEFT are just angry. That is why their protests are prone to violence.. watching an all Right wing Republican protest I see no anger and therefore no violence. So please don't give me that fake news nonsense that White right wingers are causing violence.

Just look at this peaceful Right wing protest:


You don't see any looting do you? You don't see any anger do you?

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Elijah John wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:41 pm One often hears the refrain from the Left that "it's only a few who are violent or who riot, most are peaceful protestors".
If that were the case, then why don't the leaders in these troubled, Democrat-run cities restore law and order?

Are they unable? Or unwilling to restore and maintain law and order and stop the arson, looting and rioting?

When one invokes political views in to what's right or wrong, it becomes hazy to find an answer. Why? Because politicians are politicians; they tend to have a 'one party' mindset which doesn't benefit everyone.
There's no right and wrong in politics ultimately. There's only 'politics' in politics.
As almost always, it's not about 'here or there' but some place in the middle. Unfortunately, most (including yourself) seemed too keen to focus on the 'here or there/this or that' attitude. Which gets little to nothing positive accomplished.
Until we set aside the idea of 'I'm right and if you don't agree with me you're a terrible human being' idea on EVERYTHING, we spin our wheels accomplishing nothing worthwhile.

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AgnosticBoy wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:07 pm Look many in the LEFT are just angry. That is why their protests are prone to violence.. watching an all Right wing Republican protest I see no anger and therefore no violence.
You have a point, so the question is, why are right wingers not angry enough about police brutality to be out there rioting with the left? It's not like anger is alien to right wingers, they get pretty angry over stuff like socialism. Police reform shouldn't be a partisan topic.

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Bust Nak wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:50 pm You have a point, so the question is, why are right wingers not angry enough about police brutality to be out there rioting with the left?
As Koko has pointed out, some of them are out there, and perhaps disproportionately represented among those who are actually rioting, as opposed to peacefully protesting. But one would certainly think that ideologies with an emphasis on 'small government' and individual rights should be at least as outraged at the regularity of abuses and virtual absence of disciplinary action or institutional reform, even if they think there is no racial aspect to it. Instead the most right-wing response (the ones who don't flat-out deny that Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, John Crawford etc. etc. were murdered, that is) seems to be the assumption that even more white people are abused or murdered by police... and therefore it's not a problem...? :?

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AgnosticBoy wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:07 pm [Replying to koko in post #15]

Look many in the LEFT are just angry. That is why their protests are prone to violence.. watching an all Right wing Republican protest I see no anger and therefore no violence. So please don't give me that fake news nonsense that White right wingers are causing violence.

Just look at this peaceful Right wing protest:
youtu.be/PGviL18ai0Q

You don't see any looting do you? You don't see any anger do you?



peaceful BLM marches:


https://www.google.com/search?q=peacefu ... e&ie=UTF-8

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