Peace to you,
Peace to you,
[Replying to post 1313 by tam
I dont need you to tell me to take note of what my own literature says, than you very much.
As I said I am simply asking for a scripture (with the word anointed in it) that stopulates that one cannot be a Christian without being anointed. If you step beyond scripture do not be surprised is you are called up on it.
Well I already responded to this point a ways back. All Christians in the examples from what is written are indeed anointed with holy spirit. There is no example or teaching otherwise. Your own religion teaches that all first century Christians were anointed (and that would be all the examples of Christians that we have in what is written).
Peace again to you.
No, not ALL first century Christians were anointed. Only those that were alive when the anointing of holy spirit came down at Pentecost. Jesus' father Joseph was certainly a Christian, but apparently he wasn't alive when Jesus died & rose again and sent the holy spirit to anoint Christians.
This is an interesting idea, but unless Joseph was alive after the spirit was given, and he received that spirit, then he was not a Christian.
Therefore, Joseph is an example of Christians who were not anointed and who will be resurrected back to life on Earth.
Unless Joseph received holy spirit before he died (from Christ, after Christ's death and resurrection), he was not Christian. I agree with you that he will be resurrected, yes. He is also Israel, and all Israel will be saved.
John the Baptist is another. Jesus said that "a person that is a lesser one in the Kingdom of the heavens is greater than he is." (Matt.11:11)
Because John the Baptist was not Christian... and so not part of the Body of Christ, the Bride. He died before holy spirit was given. He will have his own place, mind you.
Clearly this indicates that John will not be part of the 144,000 who will rule with Christ in heaven. He is a Christian who will live in Paradise on Earth forever.
There is nothing in what is written to state that either Joseph or John (the baptist) were Christian.
Look a little closer at what is written.
Your ideas are interesting but not clear from what is written.
The points in this particular conversation are going to hinge upon what it means to be Christian. I'm not sure I have anything to add that has not already been said in response to JW.
Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,