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Christ didnt say that all christians must be anointed either, you put words into his mouth too but when you do it, you contradict what the word "Christian" actually means and ignore the reality of sstated future purpose. The "other sheep" are exactly who you are denhkng can exist ie an jnanointed Christian. Perhaps in your particular glass house uou miight like to hesistate criticising bolded words that are not actually what Jesus said.

Those of us with holy spirit allow it to guide us to discern what Christ was teaching, and express that understanding in our own words. At least our words are in harmony with the bible.


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MATTHEW 24:15 - GNT

"...(Note to the reader: understand what this means!):
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tam wrote:
He called the disciples (at that time) a little flock; but if you will note, He also said that He had other sheep to call and they would all be ONE FLOCK.

Yes "one" as united "flock" as in one group under the same shepherd. The "little flock" (the anointed with a heavenly hope) and the "other sheep" (unanointed with an earthly hope) are all brought together into one united brotherhood.

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How are these 144 000 going to assist Christ in governing the people of the earth, from heaven?

Christ said where his brothers are he will be. The 144,000 are pictured as standing with Christ on Mount Zion. He promised them a place in his Fathers house, namely in heaven. This would be permanent (Jesus didnt promise them "a rented temporary room" that they would have to vacate at some later date to move back down to earth). Jesus will forever more remain at his Fathers right hand and co--rulers will be forever where Christ is.

I' m you are not going so far as to suggest Christ cannot govern from heaven or that God cannot give the 144,000 the ability to assist him to rule over the earth from heaven.






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He said nothing about these others being those who will not be going to heaven.

Do you not believe there will be subjects of the kingdom that will not be going to heaven?
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Peace to you,
JehovahsWitness wrote: Christ didnt say that all christians...
I do not recall there being anything in what is written where He uses the word "Christian" at all.

must be anointed either, you put words into his mouth too but when you do it,


Can you give me an example of where you think I did this?

you contradict what the word "Christian" actually means



What did I say that contradicted what the word means?


The "other sheep" are exactly who you are denhkng can exist ie an jnanointed Christian.
This is the WTS interpretation, yes. But I have no reason to accept it and many reasons (previously stated) to reject it. I feel no need to continue to repeat those reasons. I am also not going to continue to respond to repeated assertions that I have previously responded to in these last many pages.

Perhaps in your particular glass house uou miight like to hesistate criticising bolded words that are not actually what Jesus said.
I simply pointed out that those were not His words (in that quote). That was not a criticism. That was just a statement of fact.



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We accept the entire bible and the word "Christian" is in the bible. Since a chrisstian is a slave/follower of Christ, Jesus taught about what it means to be a Christian
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Peace to you,
JehovahsWitness wrote:
tam wrote:

How are these 144 000 going to assist Christ in governing the people of the earth, from heaven?

Christ said where his brothers are he will be. The 144,000 are pictured as standing with Christ on Mount Zion. He promised them a place in his Fathers house, namely in heaven. This would be permanent (Jesus didnt promise them "a rented temporary room" that they would have to vacate at some later date to move back down to earth). Jesus will forever more remain at his Fathers right hand and co--rulers will be forever where Christ is.

I' m you are not going so far as to suggest Christ cannot govern from heaven or that God cannot give the 144,000 the ability to assist him to rule over the earth from heaven.






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This is not an answer my question. Mind you, my question was not directed to you at all; it is similar to a question owh asked me some time back about those who reign with Christ.

I will wait for her response if she wishes to give one.


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Peace to you,
JehovahsWitness wrote:
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He said nothing about these others being those who will not be going to heaven.

Do you not believe there will be subjects of the kingdom that will not be going to heaven?

Sorry, but I'm not answering a question based on a quote taken out of context.



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[Replying to post 1385 by tam]

Your divding a "disciple" from a "Christian" is arbitrary and would indicate that Jesus taught absolutly nothing about how to be a Christian only how to be a disciple, which is ridiculous.

MATTHEW 16:24

Jesus said to his disciples: “If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and keep following me


Jesus entire ministry was about how to be a Christian,




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Peace to you,
JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 1385 by tam]

Your divding a "disciple" from a "Christian" is arbitrary and would indicate that Jesus taught absolutly nothing about how to be a Christian only how to be a disciple, which is ridiculous.



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No, that does not follow. A Christian is simply a disciple (of Christ) who has been anointed with holy spirit (chosen by Christ). Same requirements apply to all - follow Christ, obey His commands.

Were not the apostles instructed to teach all new disciples to obey everything that He (Christ) had commanded them (the apostles)? Matt 28:19, 20


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