Are you more concerned about the actual virus?

[Elijah John]

1) Are you more concerned about the actual coronavirus itself?

2) Or about panic buying disrupting the supply chain of basic groceries and the effect on the economy.

3) Should the President consider imposing rationing of basic necessities so that everyone can get enough?

4) Should the President encourage papermills and other sources in the chain to ramp up production and delivery?

5) With all the emphasis on testing, testing and more testing, have the authorities neglected the basics of life?

For the first time (as I was typing this) I heard President Trump advise against the hoarding of groceries. I wish he'd do more of that.

[AgnosticBoy]

[Replying to post 9 by Tcg]

You're bragging about your governors but what I'm claiming is that a lot of governors are Overreacting. I've offered reasons for why we should not restrict the younger population, which would include not closing schools. A lot of governors are engaging in panic-reaction, sorta like the panic-shoppers, when they are floating things like closing school for the whole year and pushing for other things which amount to martial law. Consider this article from the Washington Post:

The latest guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says the available evidence from other countries is those places that did close schools, such as Hong Kong, “have not had more success in reducing spread than those that did not,� such as Singapore.

It also said that “available modeling� indicates that early closures of a few days or two to four weeks “do not impact� the spread of the virus or hospitalizations but may be useful if many students and staff are absent, or to clean buildings and try to trace networks of people who may have been infected.

As for longer school closures of eight to 20 weeks, the CDC said that “there may be some impact� but that modeling shows that other efforts, such as hand-washing and home isolation, “have more impact on both spread of disease and health care measures.�

Without strict instructions from the CDC, states and districts are making their own decisions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educatio ... -cdc-says/

My message is to please choose SCIENCE over media hype.

[Tcg]

You're bragging about your governors but what I'm claiming is that a lot of governors are Overreacting.

Yes, I've already addressed the fact that you are making this claim. I've also asked you to present the medical expertise on which you are basing this claim. So far you've ignored this request which leaves your claim fully unsupported.


Tcg

[Purple Knight]

This is exactly why I dislike the free market as a system. It's a tower of dominoes standing on its head, and it encourages people to build it this way.

The absolute minimum resources are devoted to necessities, because no one buys more than they need, so after the minimum is met, you're better off devoting resources to luxuries.

This means that when one domino falls, people start losing jobs, livelihoods, and lives. The supply chain breaks, and the whole tower topples.

I don't want socialism either. Socialism is just a free market with forced sharing, making it even worse.

I want no market.

[AgnosticBoy]

You're bragging about your governors but what I'm claiming is that a lot of governors are Overreacting.

Yes, I've already addressed the fact that you are making this claim. I've also asked you to present the medical expertise on which you are basing this claim. So far you've ignored this request which leaves your claim fully unsupported.


Tcg

I've presented scientific evidence. The opinions of doctors vary and I'm not just referring to American doctors but to doctors from different countries. Either way, EVIDENCE trumps what any doctor has to say.

And my claim still stands validated that some US governors are overreacting. I used school closures as an example.

[Danmark]

I'm fortunate to be able to stay home, so in that context only, I'm not too concerned. My major concern is that we have such a horrible current President who bungled this from the beginning. His credibility so so low, he cannot lead even if he started being honest.

[Elijah John]

I'm fortunate to be able to stay home, so in that context only, I'm not too concerned. My major concern is that we have such a horrible current President who bungled this from the beginning. His credibility so so low, he cannot lead even if he started being honest.

His credibility may be low with you, Adam Schiff, Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, but not so with more than half of the American people.

Even NY Gov Andrew Cuomo and California Gov Gavin Newsome had nice things to say about the President's responsiveness in this crisis.

And don't forget, the President was called a "racist" for closing the border with China early on. Seems that was foresight instead of "bungling". Seems events have vindicated his so-called "xenophobia". Isn't it clear now that unfettered globalism and wide open borders can have dire consequences?

Instead wanting to investigate and second guess President Trump and his team, why don't Schiff and Pelosi investigate China and the origins of this virus? And our relationship of dependency on China? President Trump sounded the alarm on China's growing economic dominance way back when Mitt Romney ran for President and Trump was considering a run himself at that time.

Why don't Pelosi and Schiff join the President in actually trying to solve this problem, instead of distracting him with another investigation as they are proposing?

What should have, or what should the President do differently to have prevented or alleviate the effects of this pandemic on the American people?

What do you think? What is Joe Biden proposing that would be any better?

[Danmark]

I'm fortunate to be able to stay home, so in that context only, I'm not too concerned. My major concern is that we have such a horrible current President who bungled this from the beginning. His credibility so so low, he cannot lead even if he started being honest.

His credibility may be low with you, Adam Schiff, Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, but not so with more than half of the American people.

"An ABC News/Ipsos poll released Friday reports that 52 percent of respondents disapprove of his management of the deadly outbreak, while only 47 percent approve."
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/0 ... nse-162854

“Kushner has terrible judgment, and I don’t remember a decision he’s been involved with that hasn’t just been bad – they’ve been horrible."
....
'He advised Donald Trump that the coronavirus was not that dangerous.... Trump stuck with that message for six tragic weeks.'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... EzNfJazsfo
Trump stayed on a failed course of action for 6 weeks or more. Then he put Pence in charge. Then he also put Kushner in charge while he insisted on undercutting what his own experts said. This is why, by default, people are looking elsewhere for leadership, like NY's Gov. Cuomo.

But that is not the worst of it. World leaders are also looking elsewhere for international leadership, a position Trump has relinquished. For the life of me I cannot understand how anyone can listen to him and not walk away shaking his or her head at this discombobulated, meandering wreck as he feeds his narcissism with one lie, contradiction and brag after another.

The first rule of leadership is to be credible. Trump spent his about 10,000 lies ago.
In the latest poll his general disapproval rating is 54%; approval 44%
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 16 by Danmark]

According to Gallup the President's handling of the crisis has helped his rating. Up 5 points to 49%

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/approv ... id/959751/

So you still haven't answered, how would you or Joe Biden have handled it better? Or any of the President's detractors?

How would Andrew Cuomo have done better?

And doesn't it make a bit more sense now to step back from globalism in favor of American economic independence from China, to put a halt to corporate outsourcing and to get better control of our borders? Positions President Trump has been advocating for years.

I get it, you don't like him. I understand that. But you seem to be letting your dislike for him cloud your appreciation for what he's actually doing, and the good things he actually stands for and is trying to accomplish. For all of us.

[Danmark]

[Replying to post 16 by Danmark]

According to Gallup the President's handling of the crisis has helped his rating. Up 5 points to 49%

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/approv ... id/959751/

So you still haven't answered, how would you or Joe Biden have handled it better? Or any of the President's detractors?

How would Andrew Cuomo have done better?

And doesn't it make a bit more sense now to step back from globalism in favor of American economic independence from China, to put a halt to corporate outsourcing and to get better control of our borders? Positions President Trump has been advocating for years.

I get it, you don't like him. I understand that. But you seem to be letting your dislike for him cloud your appreciation for what he's actually doing, and the good things he actually stands for and is trying to accomplish. For all of us.

Newsmax? Really? You might as well quote Fox'News' or Infowars. I get it. You like him. What is it? His lies? The pathological narcissism? The stupidity? The sexual predation? The ultra white nationalism?

But to answer your question, Cuomo or any other rational leader would not have disbanded the pandemic office. Would have heeded the warnings of Dec. 31, 2019. Would have NOT sent a ton and a half of medical supplies to China because he ignored the warnings of what would soon happen here. A rational President would not have put his 39 year old son-in-law in charge of the same thing he put his VP in charge of. A rational leader, would have taken this threat seriously 2 months earlier. A rational leader would have instituted a a 50 State stay at home order.

Just today, Trump doubled down on his pet drug theory, then wouldn't let Dr. Fauci answer the question about whether it is a proved therapy.
You claimed a majority still supports him. Your own stats say otherwise.
In the latest poll his general disapproval rating is 54%; approval 44%
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/

[Elijah John]

I get it. You like him. What is it? His lies? The pathological narcissism? The stupidity? The sexual predation? The ultra white nationalism?

You deliberately misrepresent my position in a very offensive manner, as well as the President's (he is not a white nationalist, that is a disgusting smear.)Youknow I support President Trump because of his policies, not his personality. This conversation is over.

Your continued personal attacks against the President and dishonest tactics make debate with you distasteful if not impossible.