The Police are not the problem, lack of Education is

[AgnosticBoy]

Minorities, esp. BLM, would have you believe that the police are the problem. They are not. Everything about investing in good education and community can be done without abolishing the police. Blaming the police is just scapegoating.

Do a few bad cops make all police bad?

Can we fix the societal ills of minority population without abolishing the police? Why have plenty of Blacks found success in spite of current police funding?

[koko]

In other words, higher education, far from diminishing racial wage disparities, seems now to widen them.

This comes as absolutely no surprise to me as I am living proof that it is true.

[AgnosticBoy]

In other words, higher education, far from diminishing racial wage disparities, seems now to widen them.

This comes as absolutely no surprise to me as I am living proof that it is true.

I would've thought otherwise given the fact that you've bragged about your educational accomplishments several times on this forum.

If your law school education left you not being able to practice, then I'd say you are definitely an exception to my point. But the norm (on average) is that higher education leads to more opportunity and income.

[Bust Nak]

Minorities, esp. BLM, would have you believe that the police are the problem.

The problem, as in there is only one problem?

They are not. Everything about investing in good education and community can be done without abolishing the police. Blaming the police is just scapegoating.

Why not both? I don't think anyone is blaming the police for bad education.

Do a few bad cops make all police bad?

Define "few" and "bad." The majority do not speak out against police brutality, are they bad in your book?

Can we fix the societal ills of minority population without abolishing the police?

No.

Why have plenty of Blacks found success in spite of current police funding?

Because they are lucky and/or exceptional people?

[Mithrae]

[Replying to Tcg in post #19]

Was the source for that article based from a peer-reviewed source? What explanation did they offer for the wage disparity? Were the comparisons between the groups based on equal factors, such as same level of education, same type of education, same level of skill/experience, etc?

I would hope things like this are known before floating around a non peer-reviewed source, especially if it lacks independent replication.

Why didn't you ask yourself those kind of questions, do the appropriate research, post your relevant sources and offer some kind of positive proposal for educational reform before floating around your stereotyping and slander of 'minorities' and BLM in the OP? You seem to think that we should simply assume that your accusations of "scapegoating" and vague allusions to education are correct and meaningful by default, and you can just sit back rattling off endless irrelevant questions against anyone who dares to provide referenced pertinent information undermining your version of truth. The reality of course is quite the opposite: If you think you know how things can or should be done better, it's up to you to substantiate your claims.

One fairly obvious factor which could help explain those discrepancies are the well-known and well-documented biases against hiring of African American job applicants. Researchers submitting identical resumes for various job positions, differing only in the names or photographs of the 'applicant,' have consistently found that their resumes with white photographs or traditionally English/European names receive more callbacks and interview offers than resumes with black photographs or names, a tendency which has not improved over time. Similar experiments into gender-based hiring discrepancies could be interpreted in terms of implicit biases. For example in traditionally female-dominated fields (eg. childcare) men receive fewer callbacks, perhaps suggesting that rather than being a result of bias against one group (as the higher earnings of men might imply on face value) it could be a result of favourable bias towards the other in particular circumstances; in this case the frequency with which recruiters see/associate women in that role could cause them to unconsciously associate femininity as a requirement or positive attribute for the job. In the case of racial discrepancies in educational earning potential, the fact that black people have been discriminated against both in terms of education and in terms of high-income professions could mean that even black people who have advanced degrees still face a disadvantage against the implicit biases of recruiters more accustomed to seeing white faces in the higher-end jobs they're trying to get.

[koko]

I would've thought otherwise given the fact that you've bragged about your educational accomplishments several times on this forum.

If your law school education left you not being able to practice, then I'd say you are definitely an exception to my point. But the norm (on average) is that higher education leads to more opportunity and income.

"bragged"

Perhaps the word "indicated" would be more apropos. And strange how up to now you disregarded it. As for being an 'exception', I forgot what group it was, but years ago a research group found that the majority (not the exception) of Hamline's graduates did not find legal work upon graduating. Therefore, my experience was not an exception but the norm.

This is why the school was dissolved and why so many colleges and graduate schools are being dissolved today.

[Mithrae]

Don't believe the lie. Believe the TRUTH that student debt is over $1.7 TRILLION.

Divided among >40 million graduates, that's less than $40,000 per student; if having a degree helped one attain a job worth an extra $100 a week it would easily pay for itself in under a decade. Since having a degree (in almost any field, directly relevant to the job or not) is at the very minimum a pretty solid indicator to recruiters of the applicant's intelligence and dedication, it's not hard to believe the statistics Historia linked that most folk who've achieved a bachelor's degree earn >$400pw more than those with only a high school diploma. On the other hand with about a third of American adults now holding a bachelor's degree (up from ~10% in 1970), rather than providing any real advantage over other applicants for a job it may now simply be a minimum requirement to get the resume a second glance: That would still make higher education a profitable investment for most people compared against the significant disadvantage of not having one, but for a fraction of graduates without some other edge on top of that (eg. charisma, contacts/networking, relevant experience/internship) merely having the degree might not provide much financial benefit.

[koko]

Mithrae,

Divided among >40 million graduates, that's less than $40,000 per student

Stats can be skewed in multiple ways. Add in the four years of lost wages while pursuing a degree and it makes the pay back a little less than the rosy number you cited. Then use the numbers previously quoted which show that white graduates make considerably more than do minority graduates and we start to see that the sacrifices made in pursuit of these worthless degrees are, again, nowhere as rosy as some would have you believe.

As I said before, George Floyd had three years of college. Where did it get him? Ultimately it took him to his grave. Nowhere else.

[AgnosticBoy]

Mithrae,

Divided among >40 million graduates, that's less than $40,000 per student

Stats can be skewed in multiple ways. Add in the four years of lost wages while pursuing a degree and it makes the pay back a little less than the rosy number you cited. Then use the numbers previously quoted which show that white graduates make considerably more than do minority graduates and we start to see that the sacrifices made in pursuit of these worthless degrees are, again, nowhere as rosy as some would have you believe.

As I said before, George Floyd had three years of college. Where did it get him? Ultimately it took him to his grave. Nowhere else.

It's hard to count on people for fair and balanced information when they leave out key details.

George Floyd DROPPED OUT of college. When you only go to college for sports only, or don't get a degree, or get a degree in something that's not in demand or you LACK the ambition to make something out of that degree then you're likely going to fail. Lots of kids go to college and waste time.. .taking classes here and there not knowing what they want to do.

For instance, take your law degree which you said you could do nothing with. Given my ambition and drive, if I had your degree then I would definitely be one of the best attorneys out there.

[koko]

It's hard to count on people for fair and balanced information when they leave out key details.

George Floyd DROPPED OUT of college. When you only go to college for sports only, or don't get a degree, or get a degree in something that's not in demand or you LACK the ambition to make something out of that degree then you're likely going to fail. Lots of kids go to college and waste time.. .taking classes here and there not knowing what they want to do.

For instance, take your law degree which you said you could do nothing with. Given my ambition and drive, if I had your degree then I would definitely be one of the best attorneys out there.

It took me 17 years to get my undergraduate degree because I had to work (often at 2 or 3 jobs) in order to make enough money to pay for college. Thus, contrary to your mythic beliefs, dropping out of school and going back later on is actually a sign of ambition. After three years at law school, despite all my ambitions, I did not get a law job. Neither did more than HALF of my classmates. That's why the school was closed. And that is why so many colleges and other schools are being closed today.

[AgnosticBoy]

It took me 17 years to get my undergraduate degree because I had to work (often at 2 or 3 jobs) in order to make enough money to pay for college. Thus, contrary to your mythic beliefs, dropping out of school and going back later on is actually a sign of ambition. After three years at law school, despite all my ambitions, I did not get a law job. Neither did more than HALF of my classmates. That's why the school was closed. And that is why so many colleges and other schools are being closed today.

I know plenty of people, of different races, that were poor and now have successful careers. Some decent careers only require a few years of education and then you can go back to school for more after you start working. Yep, a lot of people don't think about that.

Here's a general principle:
A person should not judge an entire system (college in this case) based on their own shortcomings.

I brought up what education did for Obama. It gave him more options to make a living other than being on the street. And don't get me wrong, you can be without education or even poor and still do good. I know a lot of immigrant families that fit that scenario.

To attribute failure in life to racism, in the 21st century, is just an excuse. Racism exists but it is NOT to the point of causing Blacks to be suppressed or kept from success.