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Why is Christianity declining in the US and other advanced / technological / educated nations?

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Why is Christianity declining in the US and other advanced / technological / educated nations (particularly among younger generations)?
New Pew survey finds self-identified US Christians dropped 12% in a decade, as number of those claiming no religious affiliation surged

Over the last decade, the share of Americans who say they attend religious services at least once or twice a month dropped by 7 percentage points, while the share who say they attend religious services less often — if at all — rose by the same degree.

Empty Tomb, a Christian organization based in Champaign, Illinois, that researches religious giving, says the decline is longstanding. According to its research, Americans gave about 3% of their disposable income to churches in 1968, and less than 2.2% in 2016.
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The number of Americans who call themselves Christian declined from 77% ten years ago to 65% in 2019. What is worse (or better), the absolute number of Christians declined. In 2019, the country had thirteen million fewer Christians at one hundred sixty-six million.

Protestants have nine million fewer members, two million less born-again’s, and seven million less non-born-again’s. Catholics are down by two million. Mormons were up slightly, but their % remained the same at 2%.

People who identified themselves as atheists, agnostics, or “nothing in particular” increased by twenty-seven million to sixty-seven million people. Today, 17% of Americans say they never attend religious services up from 11% a decade ago.
The data also shows a wide gap between older Americans and Millennials in their levels of religious affiliation and attendance. People born between 1928 and 1945 describe themselves as Christians 84% of the time. Baby Boomers only 76% of the time. In stark contrast, only 49% of Millenials describe themselves as Christian. Four-in-ten Millenials described themselves as “nones,” and one-in-ten identified with non-Christian faith.
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Re: Why is Christianity declining in the US and other advanced / technological / educated nations?

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koko wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:29 amYou just cannot blame anyone like them.


I hope I am not being accused of blaming (or judging) anyone. I dont think I even made a comment, apart from that such a reaction is understandable.
koko wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:29 amBlame the true source of the evil that befell them. That source is found in Isaiah 45:7.

I think that should settle the issue.

The issue of who to blame was not at all why I was asking you about how you lost your faith. That said, yes I do agree that we should blame the source of suffering and evil. I do NOT agree that YWHH (Jehovah God) is that source - I interpret Isaiah 45:7 differently to you - but I would certainly blame the true source of phyical sickness, oppression and injustice and not its victims.


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[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #81]

What does Isaiah 45:7 say that is difficult for someone to interpret?
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
He forms light/darkness - well that's wrong, fire and Sunlight do that, no deity required.
He makes peace - um... no.
and creates evil - he definitely does this, evil is only evil relative to his opinion.

Imagine if you will, we are there with God before creation.
He still knows everything that will go on in the future. being omniscient right?
Therefore the only source of evil in the pre-creation is God.

He must therefore be the source of evil.

Even a devote believer can't disagree.
Can you?

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The Bible's teaching on the subject cannot possibly be more clear. There is only ONE source for evil in this entire universe and that is shown in Isaiah.

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Willum wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:03 am [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #81]

What does Isaiah 45:7 say that is difficult for someone to interpret?
I didn't say I found it difficult to interpret, I said I interpret the verse differently from you evidently do. You might find it unbelievable but yes there are some people that don't agree with your understanding of the words in the verse.

I hope you can live with that.


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What does the bible mean when it speaks of God "creating evil" (Isaiah 45:7; Ex 32:14)?
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Ah, yes, but the purpose of my post was to evaluate your statement.
That part you avoided. Perhaps because there is no way to interpret God as other than the source of, and therefore, evil?

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IS GOD ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EVIL THAT EXISTS IN THIS WORLD?

No. God is not the source of evil nor is he responsible for the suffering it causes.

JAMES 1:13 NWT

When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone.
Having created intelligent beings with free will, each individual is responsible for his own choices to be held accountable for any harm caused to himself or others.


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[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #86]
We'll try this again, not because I think you have an answer, but because I would like to hear you try.

Before your deity created everything, it still knew everything, right?

So before creation your deity possessed the knowledge of evil?
So the only possible source of evil, before your deity created everything was your god, correct?

Can this be logic be wrong? Don't just quote this question, answer how.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:22 am IS GOD ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EVIL THAT EXISTS IN THIS WORLD?

No. God is not the source of evil nor is he responsible for the suffering it causes.

JAMES 1:13 NWT

When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone.


Having created intelligent beings with free will, each individual is responsible for his own choices to be held accountable for any harm caused to himself or others.


JW


We have gone over this multiple times on other threads. If what you say is true, then an abortion victim would have the ability to walk away from the procedure. I have challenged people like you to prove your claim and you have failed to do so. Don't bother. It cannot be done.

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