Why is sex so interesting to God?

[nobspeople]

We see 'the church' actively trying, throughout history, to control the sex lives of humanity. From saying what's right or what's wrong, to birth control, it seems like 'the church' has an interest in the sex lives of everyone, even committed couples. People even use the bible to say what's right and wrong in the context of sex.
While we can guess why 'the church' is interested in the sex lives of people, what's God's deal?
If he can see everything you do, why does sex seem to be one of his (many) hot buttons? Why does God want to control who (and in some cases, what) people have sex with?
Or does he not care and it's 'the church' that's taking up the battle?


MODS: If this better suits the RELIGION AND SEXUALITY section, feel free to move as necessary.

[Tcg]

If you believe that Christianity is false, then you probably wonder why God takes an interest in any aspect of human life.

Not me. I lack belief in any God including the one the Christians highjacked from the Israelites. This invented God takes interest in humans only to the degree that it is beneficial in some way for those promoting him.


Tcg

[brunumb]

Even these items....seems none of his business, really. To me, it's as though sex isn't something God should be concerned with in regards to humanity.

God isn't concerned with sex, human beings are. The sex drive is the most potent force in nature. When manipulative people in positions of power decide what you can and cannot do in the bedroom, they are controlling that potent force. It's the same with all sorts of religious rituals. If you can get people to willingly wear ridiculous undergarments or bob up and down muttering incantations and so on, then they own you.

[JehovahsWitness]

And maybe the Bible doesn't say much about sex in comparison to other issues, but there's still an inordinate amount of bible verses that address a variety of sexual issues.

INORDINATE

Much more than usual or expected.

source : https://www.google.com/amp/s/dictionary ... inordinate

Exceeding reasonable limits

Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inordinate

Judging something to be "inordinate" is by definition highly subjective. There are not an inordinate amount of bible verses that address a variety of sexual issues. There are just the right amount: not too many not too few. And just the amount I would expect.




JW





SEX IN THE BIBLE

What bible verses deal with the subject of sex ?
viewtopic.php?p=1019138#p1019138

What verses have rather questionally been classified by some as being "about sex"
viewtopic.php?p=799683#p799683

Does the bible have a disproportionate number of verses dealing with sex?
viewtopic.php?p=799645#p799645

What bible principles are violated by the use of pornogrphy?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 03#p844203

Is the Song of Solomon pornographic?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 37#p358037

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

SEX, SIN and ...HOMOSEXUALITY

[Miles]

And maybe the Bible doesn't say much about sex in comparison to other issues, but there's still an inordinate amount of bible verses that address a variety of sexual issues.

INORDINATE

Much more than usual or expected.

source : https://www.google.com/amp/s/dictionary ... inordinate

Exceeding reasonable limits

Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inordinate

Glad you educated yourself here so the next time you come across the word most likely you won't have to look it up again.

Judging something to be "inordinate" is by definition highly subjective. There are not an inordinate amount of bible verses that address a variety of sexual issues. There are just the right amount: not too many not too few. And just the amount I would expect.

Ahh, could this be a subjective declaration? By golly, it is! Must be a slow day at the ol' Hall.

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[RightReason]

No where did I say culture isn't obsessed with sex so your last sentence isn't necessary other than showing you apparent need to project from one source, the subject of this thread, to another.

Nor do I think sex teaches love.

Hmmmm . . . you might want to think about that a little more. We can observe from nature a very obvious consequence of sex; children. And what can we learn from children? I think it is clear that children teach us about sacrifice, commitment, the ability and desire to love another not just for what that other can do for us or give us, but loving the other because they are ours, because they belong to us. Families more than anything teach us about love. So, yes, I would say a person first learns about love through the family. And at a very obvious level, families are a consequence of sex.

While I understand the need for churchers or believers or Christians (or whatever term we want to use here) to stress about sex in general, it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense once you remove 'god' from the picture

Of course it does. It neednt have anything to do with God. One merely needs to recognize and acknowledge the way the world works. If a man and woman have unprotected sex, there is the possibility they will conceive. No one has to believe in or acknowledge God to observe thats the way the world works. Nor does one need to profess belief in a higher being to know promiscuity increases the transmission of disease. And belief in God is not necessary to accept the research on the devastating consequences of porn addiction. No God belief necessary to accept the research showing the damage that results from broken homes and families due to infidelity and divorce. So, yeah, it does make a lot of sense to stress sex in general and societies in all times in all cultures have always recognized this.

Let me let you in on a little secret . . . sex is kind of a big deal. I mean considering it contains the power to literally create another living human being, that really shouldnt be that big of a surprise.

Then again, a lot of what believers think, do and say doesn't make a lot of sense once god is removed

I completely disagree with that statement. I dont think a man should have a sexual relationship with his dog because the Bible or The Church says so, rather The Church and much of rational society would say that because it is true and something all people can know simply based on logic and reason. Now, as a Christian, I give God the credit for creating the world and its natural laws, but even if man wants to reject God, he is still subject to the laws of the universe. Thats the way it is.

What I find odd about your claim is that, if God cares so much about sex and the sex lives of individuals, why is there so many DON'Ts and so few DOs?

Hmmmm . . . if that parent really loves that toddler, why does he have to say NO so many times during the day and have so many rules about what they arent allowed to do? Guess they dont care.

Then we have the Catholic church (which some 'Christians' still don't consider 'Christian', yet another perfect debate from within the same ranks) that says when you can and or can't use birth control.

I have a feeling you do not understand the Churchs beautiful teachings regarding birth control. And just like the reason the Church says its not a good idea to have sex with everyone in your apartment complex isnt because the Church is a party pooper and just wants to make you feel guilty, the Church also does not prohibit birth control just to make your life difficult. The Church wants you to be happy, experience joy, and have true human fulfillment. Did you know couples that do not use artificial contraception, but who practice Natural Family Planning report happier marriages and almost non existent divorce rates? Hmmmm . . . maybe the Church knows what shes talking about.

While I don't agree with all this, I do 'get it': people have to fall in line with what God says (or more accurately, what some guys said God has said).

But in all of this, I think I have answered my own question: no independent thinking allowed - do what you're told, like in the Garden, not what you may think on your own, or suffer the consequences.

On the contrary, I would say those who follow the cultures version of "sexual freedom" are the ones guilty of no independent thinking allowed. They are the ones not utilizing critical thinking. Again, no need to believe in God to know it might not be a good idea for me to have sex with my neighbors wife. The Churchs teachings on sex are both reasonable and beautiful.

Not that people are intelligent enough to know what's right and wrong, for them. They need to have a magical man in the sky telling them what's right and wrong

I believe I have argued the exact opposite of your accusation.

So, in essence, we don't need to think for ourselves. And sex, a highly personal thing, is one of the best way to control the masses.

You are right about that. Never can this be seen more in societys exploitation of women, making birth control the womans responsibility. So much so, the culture insists the "responsible" thing to do is for the woman to take a pill which is classified as a type II carcinogen every day. A pill that studies show decreases her libido, causes weight gain, makes her less attractive to men, can cause moodiness or depression, and some studies even show a possible link to breast cancer. Thats some serious oppression going on. And women, like mindless sheep, follow this advice. Where is the critical thinking? They are told it is for their own good. They do it because everyone else is doing it. They dont question the status quo. Even though a womans fertility is not rocket science. It is more than possible to know your own body and how it works, but those in power dont think women are smart enough. Just take this pill and shut up. Youll thank us later.

Do what you're told, not what you think is right

Yes, women are told you have to look hot (just watch the beer commercials), and sexual freedom is empowering (even though social research shows women dont psychologically do well with casual sex), just take this pill every day, but if you still get pregnant then you better choose abortion because youre too young or dont have enough money to have a kid. You better not be a tax drain on society. Besides, a kid will ruin your career. Do what youre told, not what you think is right!

[Purple Knight]

Judging something to be "inordinate" is by definition highly subjective. There are not an inordinate amount of bible verses that address a variety of sexual issues. There are just the right amount: not too many not too few.

I think he means he expects a higher being not to be so concerned with it. This is the general case in the reality we know: Humans really don't care that much what animals do. Even those we protect and nurture, we sort of stay out of their sex lives, very well expecting that what they do to each other isn't really going to pass muster for a human. For example, most animals rape each other. We sort of look the other way because they're animals.

If the expectation for a being higher than humans doesn't fit that pattern, I would want to know why.

We see 'the church' actively trying, throughout history, to control the sex lives of humanity.

It's because it's beneficial. There's a good reason to want to curtail homosexuality, for example, and it's because male-male pairs take up niches that male-female pairs need in order to create offspring. In the past, you needed every baby, because most of 'em died. And half the time, the female died trying to pop out the poor thing. Male-male pairs also don't have to invest in offspring, making them better competitors for those same niches, so they outcompete the male-female pairs that need them.

Prostitution is similar. If the goal is healthy male-female pairs all doing their part to continue civilisation, prostitutes circumvent society's basic deal that as a male, if you commit to and invest in your offspring, you get to mate, and if not, you don't. Some of these reasons don't really apply the same in modern day, but if you ask me, promiscuity and getting the milk for free is at least contributing to an impending collapse. Why invest in reproductive success when you can have infinite babies and have the government pay for all of them?

Maybe God exists and that's its reasoning. Maybe it doesn't and it's just the church's. Either way, there's not a lot anyone does for absolutely no reason. That's why it's good to look twice at actions you don't understand.

[brunumb]

[Replying to Miles in post #15]

Some people dodge the real issues by nitpicking over the wording or grammar. They give what we call a Claytons response, the response you give when you don't have a response.

[1213]

...Really? Because one website lists 100 bible verses under the heading "What does the Bible say about sex"

And maybe the Bible doesn't say much about sex in comparison to other issues, but there's still an inordinate amount of bible verses that address a variety of sexual issues. Particularly:

sexual immorality in general
male homosexual sex
female homosexual sex
having sex with women in general
lusting
lewdness,
breasts (the Bible rather likes attention paid to breasts---go figure)
unnatural relations with women
bestiality
impurity
covetousness
debauchery
prostitution
passion
sex before marriage
sex outside marriage
sex in addition to a marriage relationship (think threesomes here)
sensuality
orgies
shame of nakedness
adultery (which is understandable)
virginity
"passions of the flesh"
conjugal rights

But interestingly enough, not a thing about masturbation, anal sex or oral sex.

Isnt "homosexual sex" same as "anal sex"?

But, if the question is still, why has God interests in this, I think, as your examples show, Bible is against sex that is harmful for persons health or other people and therefore Gods interest is really on the wellbeing of humans.

[JehovahsWitness]

Judging something to be "inordinate" is by definition highly subjective. There are not an inordinate amount of bible verses that address a variety of sexual issues. There are just the right amount: not too many not too few.

I think he means he expects a higher being not to be so concerned with it.

I do not have the same expectations. Do you have a problem with that?

If the expectation for a being higher than humans doesn't fit that pattern, I would want to know why.

That sounds reasonable, now all you have to do is ask the question and direct your question to the person(s) you would like an answer from.


JW

[Miles]

...Really? Because one website lists 100 bible verses under the heading "What does the Bible say about sex"

And maybe the Bible doesn't say much about sex in comparison to other issues, but there's still an inordinate amount of bible verses that address a variety of sexual issues. Particularly:

sexual immorality in general
male homosexual sex
female homosexual sex
having sex with women in general
lusting
lewdness,
breasts (the Bible rather likes attention paid to breasts---go figure)
unnatural relations with women
bestiality
impurity
covetousness
debauchery
prostitution
passion
sex before marriage
sex outside marriage
sex in addition to a marriage relationship (think threesomes here)
sensuality
orgies
shame of nakedness
adultery (which is understandable)
virginity
"passions of the flesh"
conjugal rights

But interestingly enough, not a thing about masturbation, anal sex or oral sex.

Isnt "homosexual sex" same as "anal sex"?

Not necessarily because homosexuals, like heterosexuals, also practice oral sex. And as of late anal sex among heterosexuals has become quite popular.

"America runs on anal. Its true! What many people consider a niche or fetish sexual act is actually a common practice by couples regardless of their sexual orientation. And those who dont do it are certainly curious, as anal sex videos are some of the most popular on Pornhub. Our friends at Vice asked us to take a deeper look into anal, and we were only to happy to oblige.

The Kinsey Institutes famous sexual surveys in the 1960s found that 9% of men, and 28% of women engaged in anal sex at least once. Fast forward to 1990 and they found that those numbers had grown to 27% of males and 24% of females. A more recent survey in 2002 found that 34% of men and 30% of women had engaged in anal sex."
source

Which means that about one out of every three adults you see on the street

has had, and may still engage in, anal sex.

But, if the question is still, why has God interests in this, I think, as your examples show, Bible is against sex that is harmful for persons health or other people and therefore Gods interest is really on the wellbeing of humans.

I suggest you take another look at the list and ask yourself just what health risk each item poses. My guess is that few match the health risk that drinking alcohol can have, an activity god encourages, including demands that wine be used as an offering.


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