In response to Stephen Hawking's quip, "Religion is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark," apologist John Lennox said, "And atheism is a fairy story for those afraid of the light."
Do atheists fear that light aka God? I would answer no assuming I knew atheists to be completely sensible and rational in their rejection of theism, but they very often aren't sensible and rational in their unbelief. In this forum, for example, an atheist said he lost his belief in God when he realized that there are different religions. When I tried to explain to him that those conflicting faiths can be explained as some of them getting a real God wrong, well, it did me no good! It's simply illogical to conclude that God doesn't exist because some people disagree about him. His atheism is obviously based on faulty logic. What's odd about these cases involving atheists using poor reasoning to reject God is that those atheists seem quite reasonable otherwise. My guess is that they fear God and wish that he doesn't exist. Atheism is for them a sanctuary from theism and a hope that reality harbors no scary God.
Are atheists afraid of God?
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Re: Are atheists afraid of God?
Post #121Your unsupported assertion here is incorrect. What I said about atheists is probably true, and many people are smart enough to see that it is probably true. As a way of getting my point across in a debate, it is valuable as a way of convincing people that I am correct.Tcg wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:05 pmYou can say whatever you want. Without verifiable evidence, which you haven't provided, what you say is nothing but an unsupported assertion which has no value in a debate.Paul of Tarsus wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:58 pm Recognizing this common knowledge, I can say with complete justification that atheists (allow for exceptions) fear and hate God as an unknown.
You dodged my question. Dodging questions is a common tact employed by debaters who know that if they answer the question honestly, their argument(s) will be admitted wrong.
Anyway, common knowledge does not require supporting citations, something I learned in school.
In post 116 you asserted without support my saying that God can exist (which is another instance of common knowledge) was unsupported.
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Re: Are atheists afraid of God?
Post #122And gods were invented by ancient, primitive people as fanciful explanations for some of the mysteries and phenomena they encountered in their lives. No one has established that any form of god is actually possible, let alone probable.Paul of Tarsus wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:04 pm In any case, why don't you see that zenomorphs cannot really exist because they were created in Hollywood as fanciful monsters?
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Re: Are atheists afraid of God?
Post #123Look out; if Tcg sees you posting a statement like that he'll reprimand you for making unsupported assertions. But on second thought, he'll no doubt agree with your unsupported assertion, and let it go. Apparently only atheistic unsupported assertions are acceptable.brunumb wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:18 pmAnd gods were invented by ancient, primitive people as fanciful explanations for some of the mysteries and phenomena they encountered in their lives.Paul of Tarsus wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:04 pm In any case, why don't you see that zenomorphs cannot really exist because they were created in Hollywood as fanciful monsters?
I do agree, though, that people have invented gods--the anthropomorphic variety. Other versions of God I think are still viable as science progresses opening new possibilities.
Why is God not possible?No one has established that any form of god is actually possible, let alone probable.
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Re: Are atheists afraid of God?
Post #124[Replying to Paul of Tarsus in post #1]
IMO, I think Atheists have a distaste for God along with morality which they often deny even exists!
Remember that Humanists are the people who believe in morality among the non-believers, not the Atheists!
Again, Atheists are the usual suspects for this and that.
IMO, I think Atheists have a distaste for God along with morality which they often deny even exists!
Remember that Humanists are the people who believe in morality among the non-believers, not the Atheists!
Again, Atheists are the usual suspects for this and that.
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Re: Are atheists afraid of God?
Post #125You believe atheists have a 'distaste' for morals?Aetixintro wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:13 am [Replying to Paul of Tarsus in post #1]
IMO, I think Atheists have a distaste for God along with morality which they often deny even exists!
Remember that Humanists are the people who believe in morality among the non-believers, not the Atheists!
Again, Atheists are the usual suspects for this and that.
All of them?
If so, can you provide evidence of this? Or is this merely an opinion?
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Re: Are atheists afraid of God?
Post #126Any evidence for ANY of that? I think what we have here is your personal view of atheists not anything else. I think you also have no clue what atheist means. All non believers are atheists by definition because they are not theists.Aetixintro wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:13 am [Replying to Paul of Tarsus in post #1]
IMO, I think Atheists have a distaste for God along with morality which they often deny even exists!
Remember that Humanists are the people who believe in morality among the non-believers, not the Atheists!
Again, Atheists are the usual suspects for this and that.
I'm an atheist and believe in morals since morals exist. Morals are a social construct and necessary to live in a comfortable society.
I DO have a distaste for people who like to build strawmen and slash away at them, but even that can be amusing to watch sometimes.
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Re: Are atheists afraid of God?
Post #127This appears to be a number of miss directions and strasman.Aetixintro wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:13 am [Replying to Paul of Tarsus in post #1]
IMO, I think Atheists have a distaste for God along with morality which they often deny even exists!
Remember that Humanists are the people who believe in morality among the non-believers, not the Atheists!
Again, Atheists are the usual suspects for this and that.
There is also a difference between 'objective morals' and 'subjective morals'. You can have subjective morals without having objective morals you know. Your misunderstanding of most atheists viewpoint about morals is noted, and all the rest of the straw men flow from that.
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Re: Are atheists afraid of God?
Post #128Does their distaste for God cause them to fear God?
I think you mean that atheists deny that objective morality exists. Many atheists don't think that morality is objective but is a matter of opinion. I must agree with that point of view because I know of no way that moral positions can be proved. Besides, I don't think that God cares about morality. Morality is a human concern that humans must resolve....along with morality which they often deny even exists!
Many if not most people who call themselves humanists nowadays are atheists.Remember that Humanists are the people who believe in morality among the non-believers, not the Atheists!
I think that most atheists are good people. If they are afraid of God, I don't think that fear is grounded in getting into trouble with God for being immoral. They may fear God thinking he is a fearsome judge who punishes unbelievers, a God created by the Bible's writers.Again, Atheists are the usual suspects for this and that.
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Re: Are atheists afraid of God?
Post #129From Post 121:
Snipping to get to what I seek to get at...
I'm "smart enough" to see you've offered no mathematics, no peer reviewed studies, no other data beyond bald faced assertion to claim yourself to be "correct". But I ain't smart enough to tie my boots without I gotta tell me the tell of the fox chasing him the rabbit around the tree there.
What math or other peer reviewed data can you present to support your claim that what you said about atheists is "probably true"?
Are all folks who don't answer your questions just them a big ol poke of liars?
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Snipping to get to what I seek to get at...
Firstly, it's a bit off putting to imply those who disagree with you wasn't them smart enough to understand that which you assert but do not support other'n such as, I'm telling it, how come y'all ain't abelieving it?!Paul of Tarsus wrote: ...
What I said about atheists is probably true, and many people are smart enough to see that it is probably true. As a way of getting my point across in a debate, it is valuable as a way of convincing people that I am correct.
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I'm "smart enough" to see you've offered no mathematics, no peer reviewed studies, no other data beyond bald faced assertion to claim yourself to be "correct". But I ain't smart enough to tie my boots without I gotta tell me the tell of the fox chasing him the rabbit around the tree there.
I sure preciate that, and look forward to your answering the following questions...Paul of Tarsus wrote: ...
You dodged my question. Dodging questions is a common tact employed by debaters who know that if they answer the question honestly, their argument(s) will be admitted wrong.
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What math or other peer reviewed data can you present to support your claim that what you said about atheists is "probably true"?
Are all folks who don't answer your questions just them a big ol poke of liars?
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Re: Are atheists afraid of God?
Post #130Prove to me that God can really exist while the xenomorph can not.Paul of Tarsus wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:36 pmOK. You feared the zenomorph even though you don't believe in the zenomorph. I think the difference between the zenomorph and God, however, is that the zenomorph cannot really exist, but God can exist. Since God can exist, he may well be a source of continual anxiety for atheists.