Did Jesus and his disciples tell others about Jehovah?

[Eloi]

[Tcg]

We can know that Jehovah's name was mentioned and written by inspired Christians because their service to Jehovah was as important to them as it was to Jehovah's faithful servants until at least 4 centuries before Christ was born, when the last pre-Christian inspired book was written. The Name of Jehovah was written, mentioned and respected until that very time.

This is impossible. Vowels were not added to the English alphabet until around 700 AD. The vowels needed to write the word, "Jehovah" could not have been written before that time.


Tcg

For me what is impossible is that when someone hears a Jehovah's Witness speak of the Name of God, they still think that we mean a name in English and not a person.

You made a claim about the word "Jehovah" being written. I addressed the fallacy of that claim not someone pronouncing the word.

Is it too difficult for you to understand what I mean when I say that Jehovah's name was mentioned by Jesus and his disciples and written in the NT autographs? Did they need the Hebrew vowel signs that were later invented to use the name of God that is mentioned about 6,000 times in the Hebrew Scriptures?

Once again, you made a claim about the word "Jehovah" being written during a time period when that would have been impossible. Please note also that I didn't say anything about the Hebrew language. The reason I didn't is quite obvious. The word, "Jehovah" isn't a Hebrew word. The word "Jehovah", the word which is the subject of your claim, appears exactly 0 times in the Hebrew Scripture.


Tcg

[Eloi]

And again:

For me what is impossible is that when someone hears a Jehovah's Witness speak of the Name of God, they still think that we mean a name in English
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Is it too difficult for you to understand what I mean when I say that Jehovah's name was mentioned by Jesus and his disciples and written in the NT autographs?
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I expected more from the readers of this forum.

How does a mind work where "Jehovah's name was mentioned and written by inspired Christians" becomes "a claim about the word "Jehovah" being written"?

If I tell you that Jehovah's name is mentioned by all Jehovah's Witnesses in the world, would you think I mean that the more than 8 and a half million Witnesses in more than 240 countries use the form "Jehovah" in English? How can you try to reason with a person whose mind works like that?

Have an excelent day.

[Tcg]

How does a mind work where "Jehovah's name was mentioned and written by inspired Christians" becomes "a claim about the word "Jehovah" being written"?

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It works very precisely. Please note the words I have bolded. They are the same. You made a claim about the word, "Jehovah" being written and I addressed your claim about the word, "Jehovah" being written.


Tcg

[Eloi]

[Tcg]

No one is supposed to think that the English form "Jehovah" was used by Jesus or his disciples ... I don't even use it when speaking in my language.

And yet that was the claim that you made and is the claim I addressed. It is not my responsibility to guess what the claim should have stated but didn't.


Tcg

[Eloi]

[Tcg]

[Eloi]

You are using an English translation of both Luke and Isaiah to support your claim that Jesus used the word "Jehovah." Certainly you understand that the Hebrew scroll wouldn't have contained a English word and that Jesus, an Israelite from the Ancient Near East, would not have spoken English.

Tcg

Oh, well ... if you want my post in hebrew or greek, go to Google Translate as I do. Instead of translating from Spanish to English like me, translate from English to Hebrew or Aramaic or Greek, and voila ... Do your homework; I'm not going to do it for you.

Lucky you, modern Hebrew does not use written vowels either, at least not always, so you will know how Jesus Christ read Jehovah's name from the Isaiah scroll as Luke tells us in Luke 4: 16-21. By the way, did you know that if you read Hebrew versions of the NT, you can find Jehovah's name many times?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Tcg in post #68]

Eloi is not saying that Jesus pronounced God's name "Jehovah." Why do you keep beating him back with that? We don't know EXACTLY how Jesus pronounced his Father's name, but he certainly spoke it, somehow. It would be OK if he just said the four Hebrew consonants---Yod-Heh-Waw-Heh. There are many ways to pronounce God's name, depending on the language one speaks.

[Difflugia]

Oh, well ... if you want my post in hebrew or greek, go to Google Translate as I do.

There's no need. The Greek New Testament reports how he read it (exactly, if one believes in plenary, verbal inerrancy):

?????? ?????? ??? ???
?? ??????? ??????? ??
?????????????? ???????,
?????????? ??,
??????? ??????????? ??????
??? ??????? ?????????,
?????????? ????????????? ?? ??????,
??????? ???????? ?????? ??????.

Since that's the Greek word for "Lord," we can assume that's a direct translation of Jesus' oral reading. It appears, at least to the extent that the Bible is authoritative, that Jesus replaced the Tetragrammaton with the Hebrew word ???????, 'Adonay.