Jehovah's Witnesses: False Prophecies

[We_Are_VENOM]

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First off, let me preface this by saying the following..

1. As mentioned on another thread, I have many years invested in dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses (JW's), from family, to friends, to strangers. I am very familiar with them and their theology.

2. I am beginning a series of threads attacking their "Christian" theology and doctrine. This one, as titled, deals with Jehovah's Witnesses and their false prophecies.

3. I have beef with, not only JW's, but ANYONE of whom I believe to be spreading false Christian doctrine. This includes, but not limited to...

A.) Mormons
B.) Catholics
C.) World Mission Society Church of God
D.) Hebrew Israelites

Jehovah's Witnesses are just one of many false Christian denominations. But, we are talking about Jehovah's Witnesses for now.

So, the question is ultimately; Why do I feel as if Jehovah's Witnesses are false teachers? There are many reasons, and one of those reasons is their many failed attempts at predicting prophecy.

Before I continue on post #2, keep in mind that future threads in this series will go straight to the gusto, with no preface.

Just FYI.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #39]

I often say, we have made mistakes but unlike the churches of Christendom, we havent gotten in bed with them.

Who are "them" in that statement, "made mistakes", or "the churches of?

And what do you mean by "gotten in bed with", in this context?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #39]

I often say, we have made mistakes but unlike the churches of Christendom, we havent gotten in bed with them.

Who are "them" in that statement, "made mistakes", or "the churches of?

Them as in ... mistakes.

... what do you mean by "gotten in bed with", in this context?

I mean that instead of recognising errors and promptly correcting them, the churches of Christendom* have institutiinalized unbiblical teachings such as the immortality of the soul, the trinity and the teaching of eternal torture in hell. The Catholic church has even formally prohibuted the use of the Divine name of God in worship and many have removed God's name frrom their bible translations. They have blessed wars, persecuted sincere bible preachers and committed spiritual adultery with the leaders of this world.

*Christendom : historically refers to the "Christian world": Christian states, Christian-majority countries and the countries in which Christianity dominatesor prevails. source : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christendom

Yes Jehovahs Witnesses have made mistakes, but they have stayed loyal to the King, remained humble and correctable, worked hard and kept thir hands clean of bloodguilt.







JW



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[Eloi]

Which millions are you referring to? The 8+ millions of Jehovah's Witnesses? None of us find anything sad about our position in God's organization.

How could you possibly know that about a group that includes 8+ million people? You couldn't have talked to more than an infinitesimally small fraction of the group.


Tcg

We don't need to talk to every Jehovah's Witness in the world to find out what they think about biblical teachings. If they haven't told you yet, this people meets these requirements of the true Christian congregation:

Eph. 4:1 I, therefore, the prisoner in [the] Lord, entreat YOU to walk worthily of the calling with which YOU were called, 2 with complete lowliness of mind and mildness, with long-suffering, putting up with one another in love, 3 earnestly endeavoring to observe the oneness of the spirit in the uniting bond of peace. 4 One body there is, and one spirit, even as YOU were called in the one hope to which YOU were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all [persons], who is over all and through all and in all.

It happens that those who do not know the difference between Christendom and Christianity, have no idea that we, Jehovah's Witnesses, do not function the same as any of the groups or individuals that are members of that religious mass led by people who call each other and by themselves "theologians" after paying for a course and certificate, and later they distribute the religious world among them as a big business. We are not part of that.

[PinSeeker]

We don't need to talk to every Jehovah's Witness in the world to find out what they think about biblical teachings. If they haven't told you yet, this people meets these requirements of the true Christian congregation:

Eph. 4:1 I, therefore, the prisoner in [the] Lord, entreat YOU to walk worthily of the calling with which YOU were called, 2 with complete lowliness of mind and mildness, with long-suffering, putting up with one another in love, 3 earnestly endeavoring to observe the oneness of the spirit in the uniting bond of peace. 4 One body there is, and one spirit, even as YOU were called in the one hope to which YOU were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all [persons], who is over all and through all and in all.

Hey, Eloi, would you say that the Israel God talks about in the Bible is equivalent with the Jehovah's Witness organization? Surely not...

And I mean this in love, but I can tell you that you and all your JW brethren do not meet, anywhere close to perfectly, anything mentioned in verses 1 through 3 above. Frankly, neither does any other Christian, me included.

Grace and peace to you, my friend.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Checkpoint in post #27]

What command are you referring to?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to We_Are_VENOM in post #1]
I am familiar with all the objections about things that JWs have said would probably happen but did not. My outlook is this: JWs never claimed to be prophets. They merely took prophecies that were already in the Bible and presented their own understanding of them. They have always consulted the Scriptures and then set forth their understanding. It is commendable that they have admitted their mistakes and have not ignored them or tried to cover them up.

Well first of all, I commend YOU for admitting their mistakes. However, I don't think the organization as a whole has a good reputation for admitting mistakes.

Second, again, Jesus said that he did not know the time or day (Mark 13:32), so for the Watchtower and Tract Society to come forth with these bold predictions and being so adamant about the year, I'm sure is a direct slap in the face of Jesus.

If Jesus doesn't know something pertaining to the Father and the times of his will, then guess what, Jehovah's Witnesses doesn't know either.

This is something that JW members should have known, instead of being like blind sheep and following along under the guidance of obvious uninspired men.

Judge Rutherford built a house for one of the ancient forefathers because he thought that the resurrection would come in his day. He didn't claim to get the idea straight from God, did he? That is what a prophet does. Not Rutherford or Russell or any of the other leaders of the WTS.

He was still wrong, though. Look, YOU guys are the ones going around saying that you are the "truth".

What do I expect from the "truth"? Well, I expect the TRUTH.

I don't expect inaccuracies, misjudgments, and falsehoods. God does not direct inaccuracies. If your organization was really under the direction of God, no inaccuracy would result from such direction.

Unless someone's organization isn't under the direction of God after all.

They set 1975 as the year most probably that Armageddon would come. I was baptized in that year, and I, along with everyone else in my congregation, took it as a possibility but not a fact written in stone. Why could we feel that way? Because the WTS didn't blow a foghorn and announce that the Great Tribulation would definitely start in 1975. If you look in literature from 1974, even December, there is nothing about 1975 being the year. 1975 came and went, and I was fine with it. It would've been nice, but oh well.

Um, no. It is well-documented what the WTS put out to its followers prior to 1975. 1975 was the year.

And sure, the literature from 1974, there was probably nothing. Why? Because at that time, it was probably clear to the governing body that nothing as going to happen, that's why.

But what about prior to 1974? I already provided references to WTS literature pertaining to the coming "Armageddon". The references are plentiful.

Every other so-called prophecy was just an educated GUESS, revealing a current understanding of certain texts, but then finding out that further research into the matter should be done. Not a prophet's stand.

Sorry, onewithhim. That won't work. An organization that God has specifically chosen will not take educated guesses.

You guys claim that God has chosen you, and you place faith that your leaders are inspired by the Living God.

If that was the case, your leaders would not have to take educated guesses, if God has chosen them directly.

Im sure you know that other religions have made their own guesses. The important thing to observe, however, is what are the various religions DOING?

I don't know. We are talking about Jehovah's Witnesses right now.

If you can find any deceit or actions contrary to what the Bible teaches, then that religion is not of God. It's easy to see the faults of other religions.

Anyone can be wrong...no one is perfect...but when you go around saying that you are God's faithful and discreet slave, and God's organization, you place yourself at a higher standard above the rest...I expect 100% accuracy.

But how are JWs to be condemned for what they do when it is what the Scriptures tell us to do or not do? We are the only ones who, for instance, follow Christ's commands to the letter.

I beg to differ.

Even Jesus' disciples who followed him when he was on the earth made mistakes. Were they phonies? They thought that he would perhaps "restore the kingdom to Israel at this time" (Acts 1:6). They hadn't gotten the proper understanding of what Jesus had taught them, right up to the time he ascended back to heaven. They went on to preach to thousands of people. Did they not have the truth?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #23]

To this day, Jehovahs Witnesses still hold that 1975 marked 6000 years since the man's creation according to bible chronology ...

If JW's believe that humans were "created" in 4025 BC based on biblical Chronology, does this not also mean that they would believe the universe was "created" at that same time (within a week or so)?

NO. We believe that the earth is at least 5 billion years old, and the earth was created ---not in 6 24-hour "days," but---in 6 periods of time that were undisclosed, some perhaps millions if not billions of years. Again, "day" meant merely an unspecified number of years. Surely this can be seen by looking at Genesis 2:4: "This is the history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the DAY the Jehovah God made earth and heaven." This says "day" ---as in one day? That can't be true, as the creation of the earth took SIX "days." So it's plain to see that "day" is an unspecified period of time.

[onewithhim]

DID JEHOVAHS WITNESSES PRONOUNCE A FALSE PHROPHECY REGARDING 1914?

No. The Jehovah's have never claimed to offer prophecy only opinion on existing prophecy.

Wrong opinions. Im sure Jesus is/was aware of all Bible prophecies that you speak of; yet he still claimed that he did not know.

He did not know the exact day or hour of the Great Tribulation. That is what he was referring to. He had just described the Great Tribulation, and he said he didn't know when that would happen. I don't think that JWs have ever said that they knew the exact day.

[onewithhim]

DID JEHOVAHS WITNESSES PRONOUNCE A FALSE PHROPHECY REGARDING 1914?

They correctly understood, many decades in advance, that 1914 would prove to be pivotal in human history (It was indeed the year the first world war would start). They were wrong about what those events would mean for God's people.[/indent]

Well, if they had predicted an actual world war set to take place in 1914, then I will be more impressed.

But they didn't.

According to Bible chronology, the times of the Gentiles would end in 1914. That commenced to be the beginning of "the Lord's Day." The Lord's Day would start, logically, with what Jesus said would mark the last days, and unprecedented wars was one of the signs. (Matthew 24:7-14) Lo and behold---the "Great War" to end all wars, supposedly, began in 1914.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to We_Are_VENOM in post #31]
We aren't saying that we are "just like everyone else" across the board. That is being said, on a limited basis, because harshness is coming down on our heads which can be applied to all religions. Every one of them has made (most continue to do so) mistakes, including JWs to some extent (though this can be debated), so what do we have to look at? How JWs act according to Matthew 7:21. We seem to be, do we not?, the only religion "doing the will of the Father." The will of the Father is what Jesus presented to mankind.....love our enemies (Matthew 5:44), be no part of the world (John 17:14), proclaim God's name (John 17:6,26; Exodus 3:15), to name a few. JWs have been and still are being put in prison for abiding by God's will set forth by Jesus Christ. All other religions outright ignore those things or they compromise.