Mis-information

[nobspeople]

I've heard some believers say things like fossils, dinosaurs, vestigial leg bones in whales, and the like that comes up in science is the devil planting misinformation to prevent people from believing in the bible, god et al.
What are your thought?
Do you think god would allow the devil to do such a thing?

[nobspeople]

[Replying to tam in post #40]

And surely you know that much (not all) of "Christendom" believes that the Bible is to be taken as a whole (one book), as well as believing it to be THE word of God.

Based on my experience with different types of christianity, I don't find this bolded part of your statement to be true.
I'm not sure I said 'all' of christianity believes this. If I did, that was a mistake on my part as I try never to say 'all' of anything as that wouldn't be an actual representation. I will say, that almost every single christian (leader and lay person) I've spoken to about christianity says 'YES, the bible is the actual word of god', not simply inspired. I don't believe that, personally, but I suspect that doesn't matter to much of those who do.

To be clear, I myself do not think that.

Thanks for clarifying. It seems you're not a real christian so much of what I have to say may not pertain to you, specifically.

Okay then perhaps you could explain what you meant by the following:

I said: But there are not many people who believe Him, truly, or even that He is truly alive and capable of leading and teaching and training His sheep, Himself.

You went even further and said: Not many? I'd bet there are simply a 'handful' throughout history, when it comes right down to it. Thus far, I've not met many in person or online, based on their actions and (online at least) their words.

People believe on all sort of craziness. Based on my experience, many claim to believe but, deep down, they know they're wrong.
Thus, while many claim to believe 'on the surface', deep down, they know they're wrong. Only a few have enough faith to believe to the depths of their being. That is what I was referring - apologies if that didn't come through appropriately.

[TRANSPONDER]

I've often felt that. I definitely feel that the Believers know that the core of their faith is fragile. Their beliefs, Dogmas and reasons for belief are very vulnerable. So they protect it by thick layers of denial, theophanic padding and flummery and (instead of the very malleable and bendy reasoning of the rationalist argument that follows the evidence and changes view if new evidence comes up) they stick stubbornly to a whole string of Dogmas and Shibboleths that aren't even relevant, half the time.

[tam]

Peace to you,

[Replying to tam in post #40]

And surely you know that much (not all) of "Christendom" believes that the Bible is to be taken as a whole (one book), as well as believing it to be THE word of God.

Based on my experience with different types of christianity, I don't find this bolded part of your statement to be true.
I'm not sure I said 'all' of christianity believes this. If I did, that was a mistake on my part as I try never to say 'all' of anything as that wouldn't be an actual representation. I will say, that almost every single christian (leader and lay person) I've spoken to about christianity says 'YES, the bible is the actual word of god', not simply inspired.

Yes, that is what I said. Much of "Christendom" believes the bible to be the word of God.

To be clear, I myself do not think that.

Thanks for clarifying. It seems you're not a real christian so much of what I have to say may not pertain to you, specifically.

So to you a real Christian must believe the bible is the word of God?

Even though that book never once makes that claim about itself?

Even though that book does identify the Word of God? Not as a book, but as a living person?

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14

He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. Rev 19:13


Christ is the Word of God.

From the thread, "Is the Bible the inerrant Word of God"

viewtopic.php?p=927265#p927265

Okay then perhaps you could explain what you meant by the following:

I said: But there are not many people who believe Him, truly, or even that He is truly alive and capable of leading and teaching and training His sheep, Himself.

You went even further and said: Not many? I'd bet there are simply a 'handful' throughout history, when it comes right down to it. Thus far, I've not met many in person or online, based on their actions and (online at least) their words.

People believe on all sort of craziness. Based on my experience, many claim to believe but, deep down, they know they're wrong.
Thus, while many claim to believe 'on the surface', deep down, they know they're wrong. Only a few have enough faith to believe to the depths of their being. That is what I was referring - apologies if that didn't come through appropriately.

Thank you for the clarification.


Peace again to you.

[nobspeople]

[Replying to tam in post #43]

So to you a real Christian must believe the bible is the word of God?

I don't think what I think about others is any consideration to them at all, now is it?

Even though that book never once makes that claim about itself?

The book doesn't mention computers, either, but here we are. Sounds silly, no? But the point is that it doesn't take the bible to speak about something specifically for it to be taught and believed by many?
It's funny that you don't take the bible to prove itself true, but you take the lack of something, in the bible, proves it's (in this case) not true.
Some would say that's six of one half a dozen of another, while others would say that's hypocritical.
But then again, I'm sure some don't care what others say (or don't say) so long as it is (or isn't) in the bible.

But you're harping on something that doesn't pertain to the topic and you've already answered, so no need to continue on.

And peace has been with me since I cut ties with your dead magician in the sky. But thanks anyway.

[tam]

Peace to you and to the reader,

[Replying to tam in post #43]

So to you a real Christian must believe the bible is the word of God?

I don't think what I think about others is any consideration to them at all, now is it?

Even though that book never once makes that claim about itself?

The book doesn't mention computers, either, but here we are. Sounds silly, no? But the point is that it doesn't take the bible to speak about something specifically for it to be taught and believed by many?

I'm quite aware of that. You are the one who suggested that a person (me) who does not believe the bible to be the word of God is not a real Christian.

It's funny that you don't take the bible to prove itself true, but you take the lack of something, in the bible, proves it's (in this case) not true.

It's actually not even a lack of something... because the bible does state WHO is the Word of God.

But you're harping on something that doesn't pertain to the topic and you've already answered, so no need to continue on.

I'm just responding to the question you asked (which also did not pertain to the topic). If you want to call that 'harping' well that's on you.

And peace has been with me since I cut ties with your dead magician in the sky. But thanks anyway.

If a religion is teaching fear and hate and judgment, as well as inciting those things in its members, then I can understanding how breaking ties with that religion and its ideas would bring more peace than one ever had while IN that religion.

But the 'dead magician in the sky' that you describe is not my God. And it is not religion or men or even the bible that reveal my God - the God and Father of Christ - as He truly is. It is only Christ (Jaheshua) who reveals His Father as His Father truly is.

[nobspeople]

Peace to you and to the reader,

[Replying to tam in post #43]

So to you a real Christian must believe the bible is the word of God?

I don't think what I think about others is any consideration to them at all, now is it?

Even though that book never once makes that claim about itself?

The book doesn't mention computers, either, but here we are. Sounds silly, no? But the point is that it doesn't take the bible to speak about something specifically for it to be taught and believed by many?

I'm quite aware of that. You are the one who suggested that a person (me) who does not believe the bible to be the word of God is not a real Christian.

It's funny that you don't take the bible to prove itself true, but you take the lack of something, in the bible, proves it's (in this case) not true.

It's actually not even a lack of something... because the bible does state WHO is the Word of God.

But you're harping on something that doesn't pertain to the topic and you've already answered, so no need to continue on.

I'm just responding to the question you asked (which also did not pertain to the topic). If you want to call that 'harping' well that's on you.

And peace has been with me since I cut ties with your dead magician in the sky. But thanks anyway.

If a religion is teaching fear and hate and judgment, as well as inciting those things in its members, then I can understanding how breaking ties with that religion and its ideas would bring more peace than one ever had while IN that religion.

But the 'dead magician in the sky' that you describe is not my God. And it is not religion or men or even the bible that reveal my God - the God and Father of Christ - as He truly is. It is only Christ (Jaheshua) who reveals His Father as His Father truly is.

As I said earlier: But you're harping on something that doesn't pertain to the topic and you've already answered, so no need to continue on.