40 Scientific Inaccuracies from the Bible
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Re: 40 Scientific Inaccuracies from the Bible
Post #21This is the claim you made:
Please note your words, "And thus..."
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Re: 40 Scientific Inaccuracies from the Bible
Post #22You seem to have gotten lost.
My claims:
From the video –
“biblical literalists will want to interpret embarrassing verses that contradict science, not being literal but somehow being metaphorical.”
This is a false claim, and demonstrates a general non-understanding of the points of discussion.
It is false on two points, one having to do with Bible believers, and one having to do with Science.
There are many types of Bible believers, and Biblical literalists are one group. They believe the Biblical scriptures are literal, as in non-metaphorical. It is an insult to a Biblical literalist to say they interpret any passage metaphorically. To them, that borders on heresy.
There are other Bible believers who do not accept a literal translation for many scriptures, that much is true.
Now, concerning this mistaken claim about Science, it is not possible for Science to contradict any claim in the Bible, whether taken as literal, or metaphorical.
Science is not about absolutes, it is about probability.
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Re: 40 Scientific Inaccuracies from the Bible
Post #23That is neither here nor there to me.brunumb wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:55 amHow on earth is a sequence of races being won by a particular horse in any way related to the vast field that is encompassed by scientific research? Your analogy demonstrates nothing. How has the scientific method failed? Do you have a better method of distinguishing the real from the imaginary? If so, present it.BeHereNow wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:55 am There are many fine race horses, with an excellent track record. And some of them, virtually all of them, lose. Many intelligent people, with wonderful critical thinking skills, bet against that horse with the wonderful track record, and sometimes they win.
Let me remind you of my claims, which no one seems to have even disagreed with, let alone present an argument.
From the video –
“biblical literalists will want to interpret embarrassing verses that contradict science, not being literal but somehow being metaphorical.”
This is a false claim, and demonstrates a general non-understanding of the points of discussion.
It is false on two points, one having to do with Bible believers, and one having to do with Science.
There are many types of Bible believers, and Biblical literalists are one group. They believe the Biblical scriptures are literal, as in non-metaphorical. It is an insult to a Biblical literalist to say they interpret any passage metaphorically. To them, that borders on heresy.
There are other Bible believers who do not accept a literal translation for many scriptures, that much is true.
Now, concerning this mistaken claim about Science, it is not possible for Science to contradict any claim in the Bible, whether taken as literal, or metaphorical.
Science is not about absolutes, it is about probability.
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Re: 40 Scientific Inaccuracies from the Bible
Post #24You have not disagreed with my original claims.brunumb wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:09 amNot at all. Can you provide any evidence of miracles that have been irrefutably demonstrated to have occurred?BeHereNow wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:49 amUnless of course one wants to he accurate in describing reality, and there are miracles.brunumb wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:43 pm The concept of miracles is only relevant when one wants to invoke supernatural intervention in an event. Unless an event has zero probability of occurring naturally, then no matter how small the probability of its outcome it can occur naturally and no supernatural intervention is necessary.
Surely you agree.
I don't even know what point you are trying to make here. I said that no matter how small the probability of an event, if it is not zero then it can occur naturally and no supernatural intervention is necessary. That's not the same as saying that things that are not necessary will not occur. The occurrence of a highly improbable event does not constitute a miracle.
You are off on tangents that have nothing to do with my original claims.
Science has nothing to say about supernatural events, because it's perview is the natural world.
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Re: 40 Scientific Inaccuracies from the Bible
Post #25Am I to assume that if my words might have several meanings, you get to decide which meaning must be accepted?
Or, is it your claim only one meaning is possible?
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Re: 40 Scientific Inaccuracies from the Bible
Post #26I presented your claim which is what you asked me to do. If you are claiming it isn't a claim then please explain how it isn't.BeHereNow wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:03 pmAm I to assume that if my words might have several meanings, you get to decide which meaning must be accepted?
Or, is it your claim only one meaning is possible?
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Re: 40 Scientific Inaccuracies from the Bible
Post #27[Replying to Tcg in post #26]
Here are my words:
Science can make no absolute statements about past or future events.
And thus, many scientists with a string of degrees, are religionists.
You say the meaning of these words must contradict my other claim:
My PhD relatives who are religionists are not such 'because' Science is not about absolutes.
They are religionists for reasons they believe are well justified. They arrived at this decision completely, totally, without any consideration of Science.
Science had nothing, zero, ninguna, nada zilch, to do with their views on religion.
Neither did tea leaves, nor chicken bones.
If, in the course of living their Bible believing life, Science provided absolute proof that events in the Bible were not possible, they would no longer be Bible believers.
Nothing about Science has affected their religious beliefs, one way or another. It could have, if Science were capable of making absolute claims about the material world, and these contradicted their beliefs, but it can not.
Here are my words:
Science can make no absolute statements about past or future events.
And thus, many scientists with a string of degrees, are religionists.
You say the meaning of these words must contradict my other claim:
My PhD relatives who are religionists are not such 'because' Science is not about absolutes.
They are religionists for reasons they believe are well justified. They arrived at this decision completely, totally, without any consideration of Science.
Science had nothing, zero, ninguna, nada zilch, to do with their views on religion.
Neither did tea leaves, nor chicken bones.
If, in the course of living their Bible believing life, Science provided absolute proof that events in the Bible were not possible, they would no longer be Bible believers.
Nothing about Science has affected their religious beliefs, one way or another. It could have, if Science were capable of making absolute claims about the material world, and these contradicted their beliefs, but it can not.
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Re: 40 Scientific Inaccuracies from the Bible
Post #28Not necessarily. The vast majority of believers are the product of indoctrination so that no reasoning was involved in the inculcation of their beliefs. Once someone has swallowed their religion hook, line and sinker, it's only a small step to becoming a science denier.
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Re: 40 Scientific Inaccuracies from the Bible
Post #29And if you had some evidence, that would be helpful.brunumb wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:32 pmNot necessarily. The vast majority of believers are the product of indoctrination so that no reasoning was involved in the inculcation of their beliefs. Once someone has swallowed their religion hook, line and sinker, it's only a small step to becoming a science denier.
Then you would need to show why those who were indoctrinated with Science, hook line and sinker, and staunch religion deniers, were categorically any different than their counterparts.
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Re: 40 Scientific Inaccuracies from the Bible
Post #30"indoctrinated with Science" is an oxymoron. The actual scientific method requires one to support any claims with actual data. It also requires replacing hypotheses that don't fit new data such that all reproducible data is covered.BeHereNow wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 5:22 amAnd if you had some evidence, that would be helpful.brunumb wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:32 pmNot necessarily. The vast majority of believers are the product of indoctrination so that no reasoning was involved in the inculcation of their beliefs. Once someone has swallowed their religion hook, line and sinker, it's only a small step to becoming a science denier.
Then you would need to show why those who were indoctrinated with Science, hook line and sinker, and staunch religion deniers, were categorically any different than their counterparts.
In other words, science encourages people to be skeptical of scientific claims and fully embraces debunking of bad claims. One is asked only that methodology and data are provided so others can confirm or deny one's findings.
How does this stack up with most religion? When I was a Christian I was told to "just have faith" when the evidence clearly did not support the religious claim.
Chose your poison. You can either be free (and encouraged) to validate claims and discard the ones that don't fit reality or you can just "have faith" when holy book claims fail to comport with reality.