Rule of thumb re scriptural statements about biblical Jesus.
IF;
any such statement contradicts or is otherwise inconsistent with what biblical Jesus stated about himself,
THEN;
regardless that it is 'in the bible', biblical Jesus' statements about himself, take precedence over any other biblical statements about him.
Rule of Thumb = a broadly accurate guide or principle, based on practice rather than theory.
Take Precedence = to be more important (than something else)
Q: Is there any honest reason why Christians and others should not apply this rule of thumb in relation to statements biblical Jesus makes about himself when other biblical statements about Jesus contradict or are otherwise inconsistent with those statements biblical Jesus makes about himself?
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Are there any honest reasons why Christians [and others] should not apply this rule of thumb in relation to things said in the bible about biblical Jesus, whenever there are contradictions and inconsistencies.
[Examples of such contradictions and inconsistencies will no doubt follow as the thread proceeds. The focus of the thread is specific to what biblical Jesus states about himself and the above rule of thumb.]
What Jesus Said
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Re: What Jesus Said
Post #2Of course we should take to heart what Jesus said about himself. He repeatedly stated that he was God's Son, and contradicted the Pharisees when they accused him of "making himself God." He constantly submitted himself to his Father, saying that the Father was greater, and that he spoke only what the Father told him to speak, as well as saying that he learned from the Father and could do nothing of his own volition. Ignoring these truths is insulting Jesus. To insist on calling him "God" is, I'm positive, heartbreaking to him.
"When all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone." (I Corinthians 15:28)
And we see, in verse 24 that God is Jesus' God and Father. Jesus worships his Father as God, just as he taught his disciples to do.
"When all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone." (I Corinthians 15:28)
And we see, in verse 24 that God is Jesus' God and Father. Jesus worships his Father as God, just as he taught his disciples to do.
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Post #3[Replying to onewithhim in post #2]
Where is it recorded that biblical Jesus stated that all things will be subjected to him?
Where is it recorded that biblical Jesus stated that all things will be subjected to him?
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Post #4.
Although I see no reason why the words of Jesus shouldn't be just as suspect as any other statements in the Bible, and perhaps even more so considering the bias people are prone to indulge themselves in promoting their hero, overall I see it coming out as a wash: what Jesus said about himself taking no more precedence over any other biblical statements about him.
Statements Jesus said about himself = possibly true.
Statements others said about Jesus = just as possibly true.
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Although I see no reason why the words of Jesus shouldn't be just as suspect as any other statements in the Bible, and perhaps even more so considering the bias people are prone to indulge themselves in promoting their hero, overall I see it coming out as a wash: what Jesus said about himself taking no more precedence over any other biblical statements about him.
Statements Jesus said about himself = possibly true.
Statements others said about Jesus = just as possibly true.
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Post #5[Replying to Miles in post #4]
The OP focus isn't on debating whether what Jesus said about himself should be considered "as suspect as any other statements in the Bible"
The OP focus isn't on debating whether what Jesus said about himself should be considered "as suspect as any other statements in the Bible"
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Post #6Then simply accept it as a given and ignore whatever else you'd like.William wrote: ↑Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:11 am [Replying to Miles in post #4]
The OP focus isn't on debating whether what Jesus said about himself should be considered "as suspect as any other statements in the Bible"
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Post #8If you don't like considering the truth of what Jesus said about himself vs. the truth of what others said about him, then simply accept that:William wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:27 pm [Replying to Miles in post #6]
I am unsure as to what you are saying here Miles.
Statements Jesus said about himself (are) possibly true.
Statements others said about Jesus (are) just as possibly true.
Statements others said about Jesus (are) just as possibly true.
and ignore whatever else you'd like.
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Post #94. Stay on the topic of debate. If a topic brings up another issue, start another thread.
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