Is theism lacking?

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Is theism lacking?

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Theism has been defined as:
: belief in the existence of a god or gods

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theism
Atheism then would be the absence or lack of this belief which theists possess.

Does theism require one to lack acceptance of this easily understood reality?


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Just to be clear, when you ask "Does theism require one to lack acceptance of this easily understood reality?" just what reality are you talking about; the fact that atheists lack belief in a god?


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Miles wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:38 am .


Just to be clear, when you ask "Does theism require one to lack acceptance of this easily understood reality?" just what reality are you talking about; the fact that atheists lack belief in a god?


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Yes, that is the reality I am referring to.


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Tcg wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:42 am
Miles wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:38 am .


Just to be clear, when you ask "Does theism require one to lack acceptance of this easily understood reality?" just what reality are you talking about; the fact that atheists lack belief in a god?


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Yes, that is the reality I am referring to.
Then I would say "No." A belief in a god does not require one to reject the fact that atheism exists.


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Tcg wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:37 pm .
Theism has been defined as:
: belief in the existence of a god or gods

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theism
Atheism then would be the absence or lack of this belief which theists possess.

Does theism require one to lack acceptance of this easily understood reality?


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Aside from being about opposites (god exist/god doesn't exist) I don't see theism or atheism requiring anything of each other.
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Tcg wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:37 pm .
Theism has been defined as:
: belief in the existence of a god or gods

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theism
Atheism then would be the absence or lack of this belief which theists possess.

Does theism require one to lack acceptance of this easily understood reality?
In practice the "a" prefix seems to mean "anti", which is why it is not surprising, if some think atheist means antitheist. Interestingly, my old encyclopedia says it means person who is against God, denies that God exists. But, i think this is not really important question. It does not really matter what person calls himself, more meaningful is the debate about matters, not mates.

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1213 wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:24 pm In practice the "a" prefix seems to mean "anti", which is why it is not surprising, if some think atheist means antitheist. Interestingly, my old encyclopedia says it means person who is against God, denies that God exists. But, i think this is not really important question. It does not really matter what person calls himself, more meaningful is the debate about matters, not mates.
If you check out the following (Meaning of prefix a- by etymonline) you will find no mention of 'anti'.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/a-
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brunumb wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:40 pm
1213 wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:24 pm In practice the "a" prefix seems to mean "anti", which is why it is not surprising, if some think atheist means antitheist. Interestingly, my old encyclopedia says it means person who is against God, denies that God exists. But, i think this is not really important question. It does not really matter what person calls himself, more meaningful is the debate about matters, not mates.
If you check out the following (Meaning of prefix a- by etymonline) you will find no mention of 'anti'.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/a-
I suspect 1213 may be thinking of the third definition there: "not, without," which, as the examples show, is undoubtably the origin of the prefix 'a-' in atheist. "Not" in this case being a negation, so not far off from "anti."

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nobspeople wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:37 am
Tcg wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:37 pm .
Theism has been defined as:
: belief in the existence of a god or gods

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theism
Atheism then would be the absence or lack of this belief which theists possess.

Does theism require one to lack acceptance of this easily understood reality?


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Aside from being about opposites (god exist/god doesn't exist) I don't see theism or atheism requiring anything of each other.
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Then theists could indeed accept that atheism is the lack of belief in god/gods? If that is the case, then theism doesn't require one to lack acceptance of this easily understood reality?


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Miles wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 3:03 am
Tcg wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:42 am
Miles wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:38 am .


Just to be clear, when you ask "Does theism require one to lack acceptance of this easily understood reality?" just what reality are you talking about; the fact that atheists lack belief in a god?


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Yes, that is the reality I am referring to.
Then I would say "No." A belief in a god does not require one to reject the fact that atheism exists.


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I agree and yet for some it seems to be a major issue. Some even refer to Romans 1 and suggest that it affirms that atheists don't exist. Of course, here I for one am so obviously we've found yet another fallacy with the Bible. I suspect I'm not the only atheist either.


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To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.

- American Atheists


Not believing isn't the same as believing not.

- wiploc


I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.

- Irvin D. Yalom

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