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Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #281]
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It isn't MY evidence but the evidence of science explaining how things work.
Evidence belongs to us all, as we accept it.
The 'claim' of the materialist basis is massively backed up. Things work through natural physical processes. The libraries are full of it.
If that was all you are claiming, then I have not been arguing otherwise.
The burden of proof is on you (or any theist) to show evidence for a god in that evidence or anywhere else.
I make no claim that a mind behind our reality is a 'god' and tend to veer away from doing so because of the confusion it most obviously causes.
Please refer to it in the same manner as I do, that at least in doing so, we can begin on the same page.
Else, we are stuck in the process of defining and that is not the best way in which we can proceed beyond that, for we will surely be playing around in quagmire/ off a track that leads to a dead-end.
Until you understand where the burden of proof lies, you are never going to escape illogicality.
I do understand and have been saying as much. The question is, do either of us have the proof that our opinions should be countered as more than just opinions?
It is your opinion is it not, that there is no requirement for MIND to exist, for MATTER to exist, correct?
Or is this more about this being an absolute fact? The way you present the statements based on this, tends toward you believing it is a fact, and this is why I think it fair to ask that you present the evidence.
No theist has ever been able to accept that the burden of proving a god (never mind which one) is on them.
Speaking for myself, my 'claim' is that I understand the logic of there having to be a mind behind our reality - in that a mind/minds created said reality for the purpose of experiencing said reality.
Whether that mind/those minds can be said to be a God/Gods is another thing entirely...we are best to cross each bridge as it presents.
I don't care what you believe. I just want you to accept that you really have no valid evidence (or logic) and your god - belief is really Faith -based. Indeed your mode of argument shows that you cannot escape the Faith -based mindset, because you project that onto 'materialism'.
I am not projecting I am mirroring. Remember, it was you who degenerated into criticizing me [the person] rather than the argument I [the person] am presenting.
Furthermore, you have already being asked once already to
present your evidence for your claim that what I have argued is faith-based, and have yet to present such evidence.
[On those grounds I feel it pertinent to ask you to front up or shut up, because your "saying so" otherwise falls into the realm of the ad hominem fallacy, and I lack the stupidity to be drawn into such conflict, as such tactic does not work either with me, or in the context of a debate setting]
My own understanding of my view re faith and my arguments re MIND can be read in a recent comment I made to another forum member,
here;