Realworldjack wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:47 pmDifflugia wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 6:35 pmThe main advantage for the atheist would be a shorter list of magical things that they believe in.
Are you insisting the Christian claims involve, "magic"?
Yes.
Realworldjack wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:47 pmOr, would this simply be a "figure of speech"?
Yes.
Realworldjack wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:47 pmIn other words, are you suggesting there is something to the Christian claims, and it involves magic?
No.
Realworldjack wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:47 pmOr, would it be better to say you believe there to be nothing to the claims, other than myth, legend, etc.?
Yes.
Realworldjack wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:47 pmDifflugia wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 6:35 pmI can't in principle say that there are no gods
Why is this? Is it because you do not know (Agnostic)? Or, is it, you cannot demonstrate, (burden of proof)?
I don't know what you consider the distinction between these two. It's like someone claiming that there's a horse in my garage. If I look in my garage and don't see a horse, don't smell a horse, and there's no horse poop on the floor, I conclude that there's no horse. I can't
prove that there's no horse, because the horse might be invisible or fast enough to always run somewhere I'm not looking, but I'm confident to any arbitrary standard that there's no horse in my garage. It's always possible that the horse could will itself to be visible or choose to walk in front of me, but I'm not holding my breath.
Realworldjack wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:47 pmDifflugia wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 6:35 pmbut I believe it with the same level of certainty that I believe there are neither leprechauns nor extraterrestrial teapots in solar orbit.
Right! And there are many Christian who would say, "I believe the Christian claims, with the same level of certainty that I believe there are neither leprechauns nor extraterrestrial teapots in solar orbit".
Sure. To extend my horse analogy, if I look in my garage and don't see a horse, I might decide that I really, really,
really wish I had a horse, so I do. I hang a saddle on the wall and buy a bale of hay to feed it. When a horse-atheist asks me why my horse never eats any hay, I ask them a bunch of nonsense questions ("Are you suggesting that there's no such thing as horses? A bunch of people that you've never met saw my horse once, so how do you explain that, Mr. Science Man?") and then smugly announce that they actually know that I have a horse and they're just jealous. Besides, they can't actually prove that I don't have a horse.
It's kind of like that.
Realworldjack wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:47 pmIt means nothing when they say it??????????
That's right.
There's not really a horse.
Realworldjack wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:47 pmDifflugia wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 6:35 pmThere's little reason beyond "you can't prove otherwise" to believe any of those things.
OPINION noted! But not a very good opinion, in my opinion.
You're right. I'm probably just jealous.
Yes.
Realworldjack wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:47 pmAll you are doing is to share an opinion. You are not demonstrating anything at all, other than your opinion.
Right. I can't
prove that there's no horse.
Realworldjack wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:47 pmWith this being the case, it would seem you, and I, are in the same boat.
I can't prove there's no invisible boat, either, but I'm swimming for shore. You're welcome to join me.
Realworldjack wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:47 pmYou have your opinion, while I have my opinion. I am fine with this being the case. What say you?
"Please keep swimming! There's no boat, it's getting dark, and I can see the shore!"