When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?
If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.
We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.
Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29
Paradise on Earth
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Post #2061If Adam and Eve had not sinned they would NEVER have died. The old age and death they suffered was the result of their disobedience, just as they had been told it would happen.
If they had not disobeyed, they would be alive and their offspring would never have known human death. The earth would have been a paradise in its entirety, full of happy and healthy people who do not get sick or die. It ill be like that in the kingdom of God on earth:
Rev. 21:3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”
If they had not disobeyed, they would be alive and their offspring would never have known human death. The earth would have been a paradise in its entirety, full of happy and healthy people who do not get sick or die. It ill be like that in the kingdom of God on earth:
Rev. 21:3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”
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Post #2062Exactly, since human life can always be destroyed, humans can be given everlasting life but not immortality.
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Re: Paradise on Earth
Post #2063Humans presently (because of Adams sin) cannot live forever that is true, but the cap on human life will be removed thanks to Jesus and obedient humans will be able to live forever.
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Post #2064Human believers in Jesus Christ will be born again of the Spirit with a new spiritual body.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 2:21 pmExactly, since human life can always be destroyed, humans can be given everlasting life but not immortality.
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They will no longer be HUMANS!
They will have become immortal spiritual bodied beings.
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body!
And those new spiritual bodies will be immortal.
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Post #2065myth-one.com wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 3:37 pm
Human believers in Jesus Christ will be born again of the Spirit with a new spiritual body. They will no longer be HUMANS! They will have become immortal spiritual bodied beings.
I dont disagree with that, I am talking about the humans that will live as such forever on earth.
I'm not talking about born again Christians that will be resurrected as spirits and live as immortals in heaven.
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Post #2066Man was created for a reason and purpose.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 3:46 pmmyth-one.com wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 3:37 pm
Human believers in Jesus Christ will be born again of the Spirit with a new spiritual body. They will no longer be HUMANS! They will have become immortal spiritual bodied beings.
I dont disagree with that, I am talking about the humans that will live as such forever on earth.
I'm not talking about born again Christians that will be resurrected as spirits and live as immortals in heaven.
When that purpose is fulfilled, there is no longer any reason for man to exist.
The born again spiritual bodied believers will rule the earth for ever and ever on the earth under the leadership of their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
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John 14:2-3 wrote:I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Jesus will return, defeat Satan, and the Earth will once again become part of the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus will then rule the Earth from new Jerusalem for ever and ever. What will the angelic born again Christians be doing?Revelation 21:2 wrote:And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
And how long will we be on the Earth reigning with Jesus? For eternity:II Timothy 2:12 wrote:...we shall also reign with him.
We will be unrestrained spirits with freedom of choice. If we desire to go to heaven there should be nothing to stop us. However, based on the description and conditions of the new earth and new Jerusalem, no one should desire to leave!(I Thessalonians 4:17 wrote:..and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
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Post #2067Yes I know, to populate this our planet earth and live on it forever. Thus the title of this thread.
PSALM 116:16
Christian Standard Bible
The heavens are the LORD’s, but the earth he has given to the human race.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
The Heaven of Heavens is LORD JEHOVAH's and the Earth he has given to the children of men.
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Re: Paradise on Earth
Post #2068Dear jehovahswitness,JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:04 pmYes I know, to populiste this our planet earth and live on it forever. Thus the title of this thread.
PSALM 116:16
Christian Standard Bible
The heavens are the LORD’s, but the earth he has given to the human race.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
The Heaven of Heavens is LORD JEHOVAH's and the Earth he has given to the children of men.
The human race (all who are "in Adam") has been given the earth (carnality) but those who have been converted into children of God (all who are "in Christ") are given the Kingdom of Heaven and immortality.
You must rightly divide the Word.
2Tim 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Joe
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Re: Paradise on Earth
Post #2069What is dividing the Word?FaithWillDo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:10 pmDear jehovahswitness,JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:04 pmYes I know, to populiste this our planet earth and live on it forever. Thus the title of this thread.
PSALM 116:16
Christian Standard Bible
The heavens are the LORD’s, but the earth he has given to the human race.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
The Heaven of Heavens is LORD JEHOVAH's and the Earth he has given to the children of men.
The human race (all who are "in Adam") has been given the earth (carnality) but those who have been converted into children of God (all who are "in Christ") are given the Kingdom of Heaven and immortality.
You must rightly divide the Word.
Joe
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Re: Paradise on Earth
Post #2070Dear Miles,Miles wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:34 pmWhat is dividing the Word?FaithWillDo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:10 pmDear jehovahswitness,JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:04 pmYes I know, to populiste this our planet earth and live on it forever. Thus the title of this thread.
PSALM 116:16
Christian Standard Bible
The heavens are the LORD’s, but the earth he has given to the human race.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
The Heaven of Heavens is LORD JEHOVAH's and the Earth he has given to the children of men.
The human race (all who are "in Adam") has been given the earth (carnality) but those who have been converted into children of God (all who are "in Christ") are given the Kingdom of Heaven and immortality.
You must rightly divide the Word.
Joe
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You asked:
What is dividing the Word?
2Tim 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
We must divide the Word by the Old and New covenants (works vs. Faith), by those who are children of the Devil (Adam, works) vs. those who are children of God (Christ, Faith), by those who are unbelievers (they dwell in the "sea"), Early Rain believers (they dwell on the "earth", called out, works, Adam, carnally minded) and those who are Latter Rain believers (they dwell in heaven, called AND chosen, Faith, Christ, mind of Christ).
We come into the world as "in Adam" and are carnal and sinful, children of the Devil. Once we are converted, we are no longer "in Adam" (human race) but are now "in Christ" and are children of God. The human race cannot understand Christ (Word of God) nor are they willing to accept Him as their "Lord". Only after we are "born again" and have been made into a child of God can we understand and accept Christ.
Those are some of the main divisions.
Joe