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The promise of eternal life.

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Most, if not all, religions include a promise of eternal life. Of course, in most cases the promise includes a requirement to follow what that specific religion or branch of said religion requires to attain eternal life.

Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?

If not, why do so many accept the promise of eternal life?


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Re: The promise of eternal life.

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nobspeople wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:18 am
Stories of people, for example, 'dying' and seeing a bright light, only to 'wake up' again and the like. NDEs, SDEs, maybe even OBEs.
Given that none of these experiences are experienced by dead people, they aren't evidence of life after death.


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Re: The promise of eternal life.

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Tcg wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:29 am
nobspeople wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:18 am
Stories of people, for example, 'dying' and seeing a bright light, only to 'wake up' again and the like. NDEs, SDEs, maybe even OBEs.
Given that none of these experiences are experienced by dead people, they aren't evidence of life after death.


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I guess that depends on what one is looking for. It certainly shows the possibility, in a sense.
What, exactly, are you looking for?
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Re: The promise of eternal life.

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nobspeople wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:36 am
Tcg wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:29 am
nobspeople wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:18 am
Stories of people, for example, 'dying' and seeing a bright light, only to 'wake up' again and the like. NDEs, SDEs, maybe even OBEs.
Given that none of these experiences are experienced by dead people, they aren't evidence of life after death.


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I guess that depends on what one is looking for. It certainly shows the possibility, in a sense.
What, exactly, are you looking for?
Here's one of the O.P. questions for debate:

"Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?"

People who haven't died aren't verifiable evidence of life after death.


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Re: The promise of eternal life.

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Tcg wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:40 am
nobspeople wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:36 am
Tcg wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:29 am
nobspeople wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:18 am
Stories of people, for example, 'dying' and seeing a bright light, only to 'wake up' again and the like. NDEs, SDEs, maybe even OBEs.
Given that none of these experiences are experienced by dead people, they aren't evidence of life after death.


Tcg
I guess that depends on what one is looking for. It certainly shows the possibility, in a sense.
What, exactly, are you looking for?
Here's one of the O.P. questions for debate:

"Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?"

People who haven't died aren't verifiable evidence of life after death.


Tcg
So you'd need a dead person to come back and reveal it to us?
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Re: The promise of eternal life.

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nobspeople wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:41 am
Tcg wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:40 am
nobspeople wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:36 am
Tcg wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:29 am
nobspeople wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:18 am
Stories of people, for example, 'dying' and seeing a bright light, only to 'wake up' again and the like. NDEs, SDEs, maybe even OBEs.
Given that none of these experiences are experienced by dead people, they aren't evidence of life after death.


Tcg
I guess that depends on what one is looking for. It certainly shows the possibility, in a sense.
What, exactly, are you looking for?
Here's one of the O.P. questions for debate:

"Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?"

People who haven't died aren't verifiable evidence of life after death.


Tcg
So you'd need a dead person to come back and reveal it to us?
That'd be more convincing than the word of people who have never died.


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Tcg wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:48 am
nobspeople wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:41 am
Tcg wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:40 am
nobspeople wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:36 am
Tcg wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:29 am
nobspeople wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:18 am
Stories of people, for example, 'dying' and seeing a bright light, only to 'wake up' again and the like. NDEs, SDEs, maybe even OBEs.
Given that none of these experiences are experienced by dead people, they aren't evidence of life after death.


Tcg
I guess that depends on what one is looking for. It certainly shows the possibility, in a sense.
What, exactly, are you looking for?
Here's one of the O.P. questions for debate:

"Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?"

People who haven't died aren't verifiable evidence of life after death.


Tcg
So you'd need a dead person to come back and reveal it to us?
That'd be more convincing than the word of people who have never died.


Tcg
Hmmm..... I wonder... I've heard people say 'I will only believe in bigfoot if I see a good video of it!'
They're provided a good, clear video.
'It's a guy in a suit!' they reply.
So I wonder if a dead person did come back and report, if anyone would actually believe it?
But I wish you luck in your search!!! :D :approve:
Have a great, potentially godless, day!

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nobspeople wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:50 am
Tcg wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:48 am
nobspeople wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:41 am
Tcg wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:40 am
nobspeople wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:36 am
Tcg wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:29 am
nobspeople wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:18 am
Stories of people, for example, 'dying' and seeing a bright light, only to 'wake up' again and the like. NDEs, SDEs, maybe even OBEs.
Given that none of these experiences are experienced by dead people, they aren't evidence of life after death.


Tcg
I guess that depends on what one is looking for. It certainly shows the possibility, in a sense.
What, exactly, are you looking for?
Here's one of the O.P. questions for debate:

"Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?"

People who haven't died aren't verifiable evidence of life after death.


Tcg
So you'd need a dead person to come back and reveal it to us?
That'd be more convincing than the word of people who have never died.


Tcg
Hmmm..... I wonder... I've heard people say 'I will only believe in bigfoot if I see a good video of it!'
They're provided a good, clear video.
'It's a guy in a suit!' they reply.
So I wonder if a dead person did come back and report, if anyone would actually believe it?
But I wish you luck in your search!!! :D :approve:
I'm not searching for anything. It's obvious the verifiable evidence I've asked for doesn't exist.

As far as a dead person coming back, if my grandfather came back, I'd know it was him.


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Tcg wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:53 am
nobspeople wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:50 am
Tcg wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:48 am
nobspeople wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:41 am
Tcg wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:40 am
nobspeople wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:36 am
Tcg wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:29 am
nobspeople wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:18 am
Stories of people, for example, 'dying' and seeing a bright light, only to 'wake up' again and the like. NDEs, SDEs, maybe even OBEs.
Given that none of these experiences are experienced by dead people, they aren't evidence of life after death.


Tcg
I guess that depends on what one is looking for. It certainly shows the possibility, in a sense.
What, exactly, are you looking for?
Here's one of the O.P. questions for debate:

"Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?"

People who haven't died aren't verifiable evidence of life after death.


Tcg
So you'd need a dead person to come back and reveal it to us?
That'd be more convincing than the word of people who have never died.


Tcg
Hmmm..... I wonder... I've heard people say 'I will only believe in bigfoot if I see a good video of it!'
They're provided a good, clear video.
'It's a guy in a suit!' they reply.
So I wonder if a dead person did come back and report, if anyone would actually believe it?
But I wish you luck in your search!!! :D :approve:
I'm not searching for anything. It's obvious the verifiable evidence I've asked for doesn't exist.

As far as a dead person coming back, if my grandfather came back, I'd know it was him.


Tcg
If you're not searching, why did you ask "Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?" and end it with a :?: ?
Are you trying to show it's not possible?

How would you know it was him if he came back? This isn't what the thread's about, simply curious.
Have a great, potentially godless, day!

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nobspeople wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:57 am

If you're not searching, why did you ask "Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?" and end it with a :?: ?
Are you trying to show it's not possible?

How would you know it was him if he came back? This isn't what the thread's about, simply curious.
I asked the question to see if my conclusion is wrong. So far, it hasn't been shown to be.

My grandfather was an inventor and shortly before he died, he revealed to me some of the inventions he was working on. No one else would know what they were. He would.


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Tcg wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:02 am
nobspeople wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:57 am

If you're not searching, why did you ask "Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?" and end it with a :?: ?
Are you trying to show it's not possible?

How would you know it was him if he came back? This isn't what the thread's about, simply curious.
I asked the question to see if my conclusion is wrong. So far, it hasn't been shown to be.

My grandfather was an inventor and shortly before he died, he revealed to me some of the inventions he was working on. No one else would know what they were. He would.


Tcg
You conclusion is there is no afterlife or there's nothing showing there's an afterlife? Or both? Or neither?
Have a great, potentially godless, day!

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