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Most, if not all, religions include a promise of eternal life. Of course, in most cases the promise includes a requirement to follow what that specific religion or branch of said religion requires to attain eternal life.
Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?
If not, why do so many accept the promise of eternal life?
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The promise of eternal life.
Post #1To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.
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Re: The promise of eternal life.
Post #21Given that none of these experiences are experienced by dead people, they aren't evidence of life after death.nobspeople wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:18 am
Stories of people, for example, 'dying' and seeing a bright light, only to 'wake up' again and the like. NDEs, SDEs, maybe even OBEs.
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Re: The promise of eternal life.
Post #22I guess that depends on what one is looking for. It certainly shows the possibility, in a sense.Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:29 amGiven that none of these experiences are experienced by dead people, they aren't evidence of life after death.nobspeople wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:18 am
Stories of people, for example, 'dying' and seeing a bright light, only to 'wake up' again and the like. NDEs, SDEs, maybe even OBEs.
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What, exactly, are you looking for?
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Re: The promise of eternal life.
Post #23Here's one of the O.P. questions for debate:nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:36 amI guess that depends on what one is looking for. It certainly shows the possibility, in a sense.Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:29 amGiven that none of these experiences are experienced by dead people, they aren't evidence of life after death.nobspeople wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:18 am
Stories of people, for example, 'dying' and seeing a bright light, only to 'wake up' again and the like. NDEs, SDEs, maybe even OBEs.
Tcg
What, exactly, are you looking for?
"Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?"
People who haven't died aren't verifiable evidence of life after death.
Tcg
To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.
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Re: The promise of eternal life.
Post #24So you'd need a dead person to come back and reveal it to us?Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:40 amHere's one of the O.P. questions for debate:nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:36 amI guess that depends on what one is looking for. It certainly shows the possibility, in a sense.Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:29 amGiven that none of these experiences are experienced by dead people, they aren't evidence of life after death.nobspeople wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:18 am
Stories of people, for example, 'dying' and seeing a bright light, only to 'wake up' again and the like. NDEs, SDEs, maybe even OBEs.
Tcg
What, exactly, are you looking for?
"Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?"
People who haven't died aren't verifiable evidence of life after death.
Tcg
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Re: The promise of eternal life.
Post #25That'd be more convincing than the word of people who have never died.nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:41 amSo you'd need a dead person to come back and reveal it to us?Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:40 amHere's one of the O.P. questions for debate:nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:36 amI guess that depends on what one is looking for. It certainly shows the possibility, in a sense.Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:29 amGiven that none of these experiences are experienced by dead people, they aren't evidence of life after death.nobspeople wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:18 am
Stories of people, for example, 'dying' and seeing a bright light, only to 'wake up' again and the like. NDEs, SDEs, maybe even OBEs.
Tcg
What, exactly, are you looking for?
"Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?"
People who haven't died aren't verifiable evidence of life after death.
Tcg
Tcg
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Re: The promise of eternal life.
Post #26Hmmm..... I wonder... I've heard people say 'I will only believe in bigfoot if I see a good video of it!'Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:48 amThat'd be more convincing than the word of people who have never died.nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:41 amSo you'd need a dead person to come back and reveal it to us?Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:40 amHere's one of the O.P. questions for debate:nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:36 amI guess that depends on what one is looking for. It certainly shows the possibility, in a sense.Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:29 amGiven that none of these experiences are experienced by dead people, they aren't evidence of life after death.nobspeople wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:18 am
Stories of people, for example, 'dying' and seeing a bright light, only to 'wake up' again and the like. NDEs, SDEs, maybe even OBEs.
Tcg
What, exactly, are you looking for?
"Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?"
People who haven't died aren't verifiable evidence of life after death.
Tcg
Tcg
They're provided a good, clear video.
'It's a guy in a suit!' they reply.
So I wonder if a dead person did come back and report, if anyone would actually believe it?
But I wish you luck in your search!!!
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Re: The promise of eternal life.
Post #27I'm not searching for anything. It's obvious the verifiable evidence I've asked for doesn't exist.nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:50 amHmmm..... I wonder... I've heard people say 'I will only believe in bigfoot if I see a good video of it!'Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:48 amThat'd be more convincing than the word of people who have never died.nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:41 amSo you'd need a dead person to come back and reveal it to us?Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:40 amHere's one of the O.P. questions for debate:nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:36 amI guess that depends on what one is looking for. It certainly shows the possibility, in a sense.Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:29 amGiven that none of these experiences are experienced by dead people, they aren't evidence of life after death.nobspeople wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:18 am
Stories of people, for example, 'dying' and seeing a bright light, only to 'wake up' again and the like. NDEs, SDEs, maybe even OBEs.
Tcg
What, exactly, are you looking for?
"Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?"
People who haven't died aren't verifiable evidence of life after death.
Tcg
Tcg
They're provided a good, clear video.
'It's a guy in a suit!' they reply.
So I wonder if a dead person did come back and report, if anyone would actually believe it?
But I wish you luck in your search!!!
As far as a dead person coming back, if my grandfather came back, I'd know it was him.
Tcg
To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.
- American Atheists
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- wiploc
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- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
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Re: The promise of eternal life.
Post #28If you're not searching, why did you ask "Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?" and end it with a ?Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:53 amI'm not searching for anything. It's obvious the verifiable evidence I've asked for doesn't exist.nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:50 amHmmm..... I wonder... I've heard people say 'I will only believe in bigfoot if I see a good video of it!'Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:48 amThat'd be more convincing than the word of people who have never died.nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:41 amSo you'd need a dead person to come back and reveal it to us?Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:40 amHere's one of the O.P. questions for debate:nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:36 amI guess that depends on what one is looking for. It certainly shows the possibility, in a sense.Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:29 amGiven that none of these experiences are experienced by dead people, they aren't evidence of life after death.nobspeople wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:18 am
Stories of people, for example, 'dying' and seeing a bright light, only to 'wake up' again and the like. NDEs, SDEs, maybe even OBEs.
Tcg
What, exactly, are you looking for?
"Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?"
People who haven't died aren't verifiable evidence of life after death.
Tcg
Tcg
They're provided a good, clear video.
'It's a guy in a suit!' they reply.
So I wonder if a dead person did come back and report, if anyone would actually believe it?
But I wish you luck in your search!!!
As far as a dead person coming back, if my grandfather came back, I'd know it was him.
Tcg
Are you trying to show it's not possible?
How would you know it was him if he came back? This isn't what the thread's about, simply curious.
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Re: The promise of eternal life.
Post #29I asked the question to see if my conclusion is wrong. So far, it hasn't been shown to be.nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:57 am
If you're not searching, why did you ask "Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?" and end it with a ?
Are you trying to show it's not possible?
How would you know it was him if he came back? This isn't what the thread's about, simply curious.
My grandfather was an inventor and shortly before he died, he revealed to me some of the inventions he was working on. No one else would know what they were. He would.
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Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
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Re: The promise of eternal life.
Post #30You conclusion is there is no afterlife or there's nothing showing there's an afterlife? Or both? Or neither?Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:02 amI asked the question to see if my conclusion is wrong. So far, it hasn't been shown to be.nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:57 am
If you're not searching, why did you ask "Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?" and end it with a ?
Are you trying to show it's not possible?
How would you know it was him if he came back? This isn't what the thread's about, simply curious.
My grandfather was an inventor and shortly before he died, he revealed to me some of the inventions he was working on. No one else would know what they were. He would.
Tcg
Have a great, potentially godless, day!