From Post 182 here:
For debate:EarthSciemceGuy wrote: ...
God is not made of matter...
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What's God made of?
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For debate:EarthSciemceGuy wrote: ...
God is not made of matter...
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Thanks.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:59 amnobspeople wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:37 amUghJehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:24 pmI have hundreds of religious beliefs, which ones would you like proof (proof as in argumentation) for, and who or what provides the standards by which we can establish whether those beliefs are true or not. For me, religious truth are established by measiring it against the bible. If you agree and would like biblical argumentation (proof) about something I believe, feel free to ask.nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:08 pm
When said (paraphrased) 'your religious beliefs can't be shown to be true', you said "I believe they can otherwise I would not hold to them."
I simply asked you to provide the proof of which you speak, as you said it's possible to do so.
What proof you wish to provide is, of course, up to you.
I will certainly give your request the consideration it deserves.
JW
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Pick one and prove it to be true
I believe Genesis is the first book currently listed the Torah and accept that book as part of the bible canon.
Evidence
Source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/biblic ... d-versions
There are millions of bibles available and Genesis is sytematically listed as the first of the books in the Torah.
JW
So God's made of nothing.Sherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:03 amYou are quite incorrect.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:55 amThe OP seeks to confirm from what's God made.Sherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:14 amYou assume we can apply reductionism to everything, like I told you in other threads, assumptions are never far away even for the atheist!JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 5:25 pm Late edit to clean quotes...
From Post 182 here:
For debate:EarthSciemceGuy wrote: ...
God is not made of matter...
...
What's God made of?
There's no requirement for reductionism, if that ain't the way to go.
As I'm telling you in this thread, that's an assumption on your part.
The question "what is X made of" is logically equivalent to "what constituent parts comprise X" and that is most certainly a question which presupposes a reductionist answer.
Reductionism:
Ontological reductionism: a belief that the whole of reality consists of a minimal number of parts.
Methodological reductionism: the scientific attempt to provide an explanation in terms of ever-smaller entities.
Theory reductionism: the suggestion that a newer theory does not replace or absorb an older one, but reduces it to more basic terms. Theory reduction itself is divisible into three parts: translation, derivation, and explanation.[4]
In the lastest news from our resident promoter of TRUTH(tm), their belief the first bit if the bible is canon should not be questioned.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:59 am I believe Genesis is the first book currently listed the Torah and accept that book as part of the bible canon.
Evidence
Source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/biblic ... d-versions
There are millions of bibles available and Genesis is sytematically listed as the first of the books in the Torah.
I knew it would be a waste of time replying sensibly to you.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:00 pmSo God's made of nothing.Sherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:03 amYou are quite incorrect.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:55 amThe OP seeks to confirm from what's God made.Sherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:14 amYou assume we can apply reductionism to everything, like I told you in other threads, assumptions are never far away even for the atheist!JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 5:25 pm Late edit to clean quotes...
From Post 182 here:
For debate:EarthSciemceGuy wrote: ...
God is not made of matter...
...
What's God made of?
There's no requirement for reductionism, if that ain't the way to go.
As I'm telling you in this thread, that's an assumption on your part.
The question "what is X made of" is logically equivalent to "what constituent parts comprise X" and that is most certainly a question which presupposes a reductionist answer.
Reductionism:
Ontological reductionism: a belief that the whole of reality consists of a minimal number of parts.
Methodological reductionism: the scientific attempt to provide an explanation in terms of ever-smaller entities.
Theory reductionism: the suggestion that a newer theory does not replace or absorb an older one, but reduces it to more basic terms. Theory reduction itself is divisible into three parts: translation, derivation, and explanation.[4]
Just like something that doesn't exist.
I suggest replying sensibly.Sherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:26 pm I knew it would be a waste of time replying sensibly to you.
You mean say things that you agree with? don't say anything that you disagree with?JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:35 pmI suggest replying sensibly.Sherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:26 pm I knew it would be a waste of time replying sensibly to you.
They're correct.
What is empty space made from? it too exists, what is stuff? what is something?
I told you, God is made from God, composed from God, why won't you listen to common sense?
What is anything made of? what's an electron made of? what's a higgs boson made of? what's a gluon made of? what's a gravitational field made of? what is love made of? what is space made of? what is consciousness made of?.............JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:35 pm Of course we can say such as, God's made of the hopes and wishes, loves and hatreds of his proponents. At least here there's some supporting data.
I'm no mod, say what ya want. Site rules indicate it should be on topic of the OP, but again, I'm no mod.Sherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:47 pmYou mean say things that you agree with? don't say anything that you disagree with?JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:35 pmI suggest replying sensibly.Sherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:26 pm I knew it would be a waste of time replying sensibly to you.
What evidence do you find most confirmatiry for this conclusion?They're correct.
So God's empty space?What is empty space made from? it too exists.
And tautologies are made from tautologies.I told you, God is made from God, composed from God, why won't you listen to common sense?
Depends on what anything, and to what level of detail we can provide.What is anything made of?JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:35 pm Of course we can say such as, God's made of the hopes and wishes, loves and hatreds of his proponents. At least here there's some supporting data.
The presence of the universe, my own existence within that universe.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:07 pm Edits to correct speling...
I'm no mod, say what ya want. Site rules indicate it should be on topic of the OP, but again, I'm no mod.Sherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:47 pmYou mean say things that you agree with? don't say anything that you disagree with?JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:35 pmI suggest replying sensibly.Sherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:26 pm I knew it would be a waste of time replying sensibly to you.
What evidence do you find most confirmatiry for this conclusion?They're correct.
No, you misunderstood, I was asking you what is space made from to show others here that you don't know, and you don't know otherwise I'm sure you'd have answered rather than evaded.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:07 pmSo God's empty space?What is empty space made from? it too exists.
The presence of the universe, my own existence within that universe.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:07 pmAnd tautologies are made from tautologies.I told you, God is made from God, composed from God, why won't you listen to common sense?
What confirmatory evidence can you provide for your claim?
Do you know what love is made of?JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:35 pm Of course we can say such as, God's made of the hopes and wishes, loves and hatreds of his proponents. At least here there's some supporting data.
Depends on what anything, and to what level of detail we can provide.
I like to build stuff. Metal, wood, nails or screws, glue, and cussing're the most common materials, but not necessarily in that order.
Snip request for composition of stuff I ain't claimed to exist.
Are you suggesting I made any claim of truth regarding the OP?JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:22 pm
This is getting funnier and funnier with each new attempt at what TRUTH(tm) can be put to the OP.
God in your view is the answer to infinite regress time problem, infinite regress causal problem, infinite regress reduction problem.Sherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:47 pm
I told you, God is made from God, composed from God, why won't you listen to common sense?
What is anything made of? what's an electron made of? what's a higgs boson made of? what's a gluon made of? what's a gravitational field made of? what is love made of? what is space made of? what is consciousness made of?.............
You can't answer any of these questions yet you demand an answer to yours.