How to become an angel!

[myth-one.com]

Two type of bodies are defined in the Bible, natural and spiritual (I Corinthians 15:44). Man is a natural bodied being and God and the angels are spiritual bodied beings (John 3:6). All men will die (Hebrews 9:27), and all spiritual bodied beings will live forever. (Luke 20:36).

The two testaments of the Bible are covenants or wills between God and mankind. The inheritance which heirs receive under either covenant is everlasting life. Each Bible testament describes the path to everlasting life for mankind under that particular covenant.

The path to eternal life under the first covenant was to never sin (Romans 6:23). However, there was a fault in the first testament in that all mankind sinned! (Romans 5:12) Since the first covenant contained a fault, God created a second or New Testament (Hebrews 3:6).

Under the New Testament Covenant, one must believe in Jesus as their Savior to gain everlasting life (John 3:16). Here is how that came to be:

The Word (a Spirit) was made flesh as the man Jesus Christ (John 1:14). Being a man (1Timothy 2:5), Jesus was included as a possible beneficiary under the original covenant between God and mankind.

In fact, Jesus became the only human to become an heir to immortality under the Old Testament Covenant! (1 Timothy 6:16).

His future inheritance belongs solely to Him, it is His possession, He owns it! And He is the only human that "hath immortality" as an inheritance.

But Jesus freely chooses to offer His inheritance as a gift to humans who believe in Him as their Savior. This is codified in the New Testament Covenant! (John 3:16)

But how can the one everlasting life which is Jesus' inheritance be distributed to more that one believer? Here's how that is justified in the scriptures:

Since many sinned due to one man (Adam), it is only fair that likewise many should be saved by the gift of everlasting life offered freely by the one man, Jesus Christ. (Romans 5:15)

Once the Word was made flesh as Jesus, Jesus had no choice but to die His first death – as it is appointed unto man once to die. So Jesus’ death, while required, is not what saves us.

What saves us is that Jesus offers His just inheritance of everlasting spiritual life received by His living a sinless life under the Old Testament Covenant to those humans who accept Him as their Savior from the wages of their sins under the New Testament Covenant.

Believers receive their inheritance of everlasting life by being born again of the Spirit (John 3:6) at the second Coming (Romans 5:15).

Conclusion: Whosoever believeth shall be born again of the Spirit, as a spirit, into the spiritual Kingdom of God, at the Second Coming. When this occurs, we will become equal unto the angels.

That is how any human may become an angel.

If you want to debate the above explanation, please do so with scripture references to support your claims.

[2ndpillar2]

How exactly have you escaped your coming death?

The first "death" is appointed to all mankind:

And it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Those "born of God", cannot sin (1 John 3:9).

Why can't they?

They can't sin because they are "born of God" (1 John 3:9). Those born of the devil are sinners. (1 John 3:8). Which is to say, if one "commits lawlessness", they will be gathered and thrown into the furnace of fire (Matthew 13:41-42). As for your "the first 'death' is appointed to all mankind", that was not the message taught by Paul, who said "we shall not all sleep/die". Paul is all things to all men, that means he plays on both sides of the street, saying whatever makes people happy, regardless of consistency or accuracy.

[2timothy316]

Yet humans can live forever as there will be no more death. So your comment on longevity is incorrect.

Good morning 2timothy316. No, my comment is correct. No human can live forever!

We are living in the day or age of man. Man was given dominion over the earth during the Genesis recreation. The day of man will end when the age of Jesus Christ's rule on earth begins. This occurs after completion of the second resurrection when every human being's case has been judged, and every human body has either been born again as a spiritual body into the Kingdom of God, or cast into the lake of fire and suffered the second death.

The case of every single human who has ever lived will have been accounted for, the reward given (eternal life when born again as a spirit), or the sentence carried out (the second death). Thus, when there are no more human beings alive, the age or day of man is over.

Since there are no more humans, there will be no more human deaths! Death and the grave are thus cast into the lake of fire and destroyed as prophesied:

The last enemy that shall be defeated is death.

Describing Christians who will be born again as spiritual beings, the Bible proclaims:

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

The former things that are passed away are their physical bodies and all associated physical characteristics. These include death, sorrow, crying, pain, etc. "There shall be no more death," indicates they will become spiritual bodies equal unto the angels when born again at the Second Coming. "And there shall be no more death," is future tense.

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Yet humans can live forever as there will be no more death.

Your statement has it switched.

There will be no more death of humans because there will be no humans.

My statement has been the same. It's recorded on this forum.
The Bible says there will be humans forever on the Earth and they will live forever.
"“Look! The tent of God is with mankind." Rev 21:3
"As for the heavens, they belong to Jehovah, But the earth he has given to the sons of men." Ps 115:16
"The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it." Ps 37:29
"The Former of the earth . . . , the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited.” - Isaiah 45:18

[2ndpillar2]

Two type of bodies are defined in the Bible, natural and spiritual (I Corinthians 15:44). Man is a natural bodied being and God and the angels are spiritual bodied beings (John 3:6). All men will die (Hebrews 9:27), and all spiritual bodied beings will live forever. (Luke 20:36).

The two testaments of the Bible are covenants or wills between God and mankind. The inheritance which heirs receive under either covenant is everlasting life. Each Bible testament describes the path to everlasting life for mankind under that particular covenant.

The path to eternal life under the first covenant was to never sin (Romans 6:23). However, there was a fault in the first testament in that all mankind sinned! (Romans 5:12) Since the first covenant contained a fault, God created a second or New Testament (Hebrews 3:6).

Under the New Testament Covenant, one must believe in Jesus as their Savior to gain everlasting life (John 3:16). Here is how that came to be:

The Word (a Spirit) was made flesh as the man Jesus Christ (John 1:14). Being a man (1Timothy 2:5), Jesus was included as a possible beneficiary under the original covenant between God and mankind.

In fact, Jesus became the only human to become an heir to immortality under the Old Testament Covenant! (1 Timothy 6:16).

His future inheritance belongs solely to Him, it is His possession, He owns it! And He is the only human that "hath immortality" as an inheritance.

But Jesus freely chooses to offer His inheritance as a gift to humans who believe in Him as their Savior. This is codified in the New Testament Covenant! (John 3:16)

But how can the one everlasting life which is Jesus' inheritance be distributed to more that one believer? Here's how that is justified in the scriptures:

Since many sinned due to one man (Adam), it is only fair that likewise many should be saved by the gift of everlasting life offered freely by the one man, Jesus Christ. (Romans 5:15)

Once the Word was made flesh as Jesus, Jesus had no choice but to die His first death – as it is appointed unto man once to die. So Jesus’ death, while required, is not what saves us.

What saves us is that Jesus offers His just inheritance of everlasting spiritual life received by His living a sinless life under the Old Testament Covenant to those humans who accept Him as their Savior from the wages of their sins under the New Testament Covenant.

Believers receive their inheritance of everlasting life by being born again of the Spirit (John 3:6) at the second Coming (Romans 5:15).

Conclusion: Whosoever believeth shall be born again of the Spirit, as a spirit, into the spiritual Kingdom of God, at the Second Coming. When this occurs, we will become equal unto the angels.

That is how any human may become an angel.

If you want to debate the above explanation, please do so with scripture references to support your claims.

You presented a fairly decent explanation of the gospel of grace, which was presented by the false prophet Paul, which the daughters of Babylon accept freely, but it is antithetic to the Law and the prophets, as well as Yeshua's message of the kingdom of God, whereas "every one will die for his own iniquity" (Jeremiah 31:30), and the followers of the "enemy"/"devil", the tares, those who "commit lawlessness" will be cast into the "furnace of fire" (Matthew 13:41-42). As for believing in Me, though they shall die (John 11:25), the crux of that statement, is that one must heed the message of Yeshua, or suffer having their house "fall" (Matthew 7:23-27) & (Isaiah 22:25). The only ones being transformed at the coming of the son of man, are the "righteous" dead, who will rise from their graves to rule with "Christ" (Revelation 20:4). Those who live through the great tribulation will eventually die (Isaiah 65:20). Good try, but no kewpie doll.

Hi, 2ndpillar2.

Yes, the path to everlasting life under the New Testament is antithetical to that of the Old Testament.

Under the Old Testament a person had to never violated any of God's laws to gain everlasting life. After Jesus died, we fell under the grace of Jesus Christ for our salvation, not our works to fulfill the law. So sin no longer controls our salvation:

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

With regard to your Romans 6:14 quote, whereas sin cannot have dominion over you once you are under grace, well, you should read Romans 7:19, whereas like all Progressives, Paul says I didn't do it, it was the evil within me, Orange man did it. To enter into life, Yeshua taught that you have to keep the Commandments (Matthew 19:17).

[onewithhim]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #34]
"The Word" was Jesus.

The Word is God and existed from the beginning:

"The beginning" is the beginning of the creation of the earth with humans on it. The Word is Jesus Christ.

The creation of Adam and Eve can be traced back to about 6,000 years.

6,000 years ago was only the beginning of Adam & Eve -- not the beginning of everything.

Our universe is about 13.787±0.020 billion years old.

And one can ask what happened before our universe began.

So the creation of humans was long after the original creation of even the earth -- which was created only 4.54 ± 0.05 billion years ago.

True

[tam]

Peace to you,

But we will still be human, just in a new body (the spirit body . . .

Hi Tam,

You are absolutely correct that when believers enter the Kingdom of God we have spiritual bodies!

We have spiritual bodies because we have been born of the Spirit (God), and that which is born of the Spirit IS spirit.

And since we are spirits, we are no longer humans -- as humans are born of the flesh, and are thus flesh bodies, and flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God!

For some reason, and I'm not sure where you learned this or from whom, but you are identifying humans (mankind) as only being human/man as long as they have this particular body (the long garment of skin that was given to Adam and Eve AFTER they sinned and ate from the TKGB).

But if you look at the verse that timothy supplied above, mankind continues ("the tent of God is with mankind"), even after there is no more death. So mankind (humanity) is not destroyed. Death is destroyed.

But you are correct that we (who receive it) will one day have the new body (the white robe/spirit body) that has no sin or death in it.

That does not make us seraphim though (what most refer to as angels). Men are not serpahs (angels); seraphs are not men. We will still be human, just in a new body (the white robe) that has no sin or death in it. And think about Christ (as well as the angels). After His resurrection, Christ could eat and drink, be touched and seen, materialize inside a closed door room, enter into (and out of) the spiritual realm. Angels (seraphs) can also come out of and go into the spiritual realm, moving from energy to matter to energy. Even Adam and Eve could move in and out of the Garden of Eden (the spiritual realm), until after they sinned, received the 'long garment of skin' (this flesh with its blood, that we inherited from them) and were cast out of the Garden of Eden.



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[myth-one.com]

For some reason, and I'm not sure where you learned this or from whom, but you are identifying humans (mankind) as only being human/man as long as they have this particular body . . .

Yes, I learned that from the Bible.

Jesus states that one must be born of water and of the Spirit to enter the Kingdom of God:

Man has already been born of water, or flesh. So man must be born again of The Spirit to enter the Kingdom of God.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

All humans have physical or natural bodies in a physical world. God and the angels all have spiritual bodies in the spiritual Kingdom of God.

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Men are not serpahs (angels); seraphs are not men.

Men are born of the flesh as flesh. Angels are born of the Spirit as spirits.

We will still be human, just in a new body (the white robe) that has no sin or death in it.

What type of birth created your "white robed new body"?

[myth-one.com]

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

With regard to your Romans 6:14 quote, whereas sin cannot have dominion over you once you are under grace, . . .

Sin has no dominion over whether or not anyone can gain salvation.

All of us are under the grace of God through Jesus Christ in regards to gaining everlasting life.

Under the New Testament Covenant, salvation is now a gift of God, and not dependent upon our remaining sinless.

[tam]

Peace to you,

For some reason, and I'm not sure where you learned this or from whom, but you are identifying humans (mankind) as only being human/man as long as they have this particular body . . .

Yes, I learned that from the Bible.

And what do you make of the verse that states "the tent of God is with mankind" and this AFTER New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven:

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2 I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying: “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will dwell with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God. 4‘He will wipe away every tear from their eyes,’ and there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the former things have passed away.”

Mankind obviously still exists.

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Christ does not say that man will become angels (seraphs). He says that man will (at least in some respects) be LIKE the angels.

Men are not serpahs (angels); seraphs are not men.

Men are born of the flesh as flesh. Angels are born of the Spirit as spirits.

Angels were not born; they were created.

Man will still be man, just in a new body.

We will still be human, just in a new body (the white robe) that has no sin or death in it.

What type of birth created your "white robed new body"?

I'm not sure what you're asking exactly, but... the second one, being born again (taken up and changed in a twinkling, as Paul describes it, at least for Christians/those who are in Christ).


Peace again to you.

[myth-one.com]

And what do you make of the verse that states "the tent of God is with mankind" and this AFTER New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven:

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2 I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying: “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will dwell with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God. 4‘He will wipe away every tear from their eyes,’ and there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the former things have passed away.”

Mankind obviously still exists.

You make a good point. I think it simply means that God's Kingdom has returned to the earth -- which is what we are instructed to pray for:

Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

And that will occur:

The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

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But this time the earth is so decimated that God has to bring a new heaven and earth with Him. There is no longer any sea -- perhaps because of global warming?
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When the earth rejoins the Kingdom of Heaven and Kingdom of God, then flesh and blood man (as we know man) cannot inherit that kingdom.

Also, the description given (no tears, no death, no pain, etc) certainly does not describe any known species of man.

Other verses describe believers becoming new creatures, and all nonbelievers will have suffered their second death by this time. So where are any "men" on the earth?

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Christ does not say that man will become angels (seraphs). He says that man will (at least in some respects) be LIKE the angels.

Here is what Jesus said:

Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Children are born. Children born of the Spirit (God) are spirits.

Men are born of the flesh as flesh. Angels are born of the Spirit as spirits.

Angels were not born; they were created.

Correct. I should have written that Humans who become equal unto the angels will be created by being born again of the Spirit. I'm not sure how the original angels were created.

We will still be human, just in a new body (the white robe) that has no sin or death in it.

What type of birth created your "white robed new body"?

I'm not sure what you're asking exactly, but... the second one, being born again (taken up and changed in a twinkling, as Paul describes it, at least for Christians/those who are in Christ).

Jesus says man must be born again to enter the Kingdom of God. He also says that one must be born of water and of the Spirit. And there are two type of bodies -- natural and spiritual. And that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

It seems that living things require a body, and bodies require a birth. What type of birth produces your "new white robed body" which you defined above? And is it a natural body or a spiritual body?

Thanks in advance.

Peace again to you.

Thanks. Peace to all of us.

[2ndpillar2]

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

With regard to your Romans 6:14 quote, whereas sin cannot have dominion over you once you are under grace, . . .

Sin has no dominion over whether or not anyone can gain salvation.

All of us are under the grace of God through Jesus Christ in regards to gaining everlasting life.

Under the New Testament Covenant, salvation is now a gift of God, and not dependent upon our remaining sinless.

The "salvation" "of God", per Joel 2:31-32, is with respect to the "day of the LORD", the "great tribulation", whereas there will be those who "escape" death, as in being "survivors", and those who do not survive. The "salvation" of Paul, as to "we shall not all sleep", is a lie, for "every person shall die for their iniquities" (Jeremiah 31:30). As for the "many" on the wide path to "destruction" (Matthew 7:13-15), who follow the false prophets, they will be the "tares", those who follow the message of the "enemy"/"devil" (Matthew 13:39-42), they will be "gathered" and tossed into the "furnace of fire", which is the great tribulation, but unlike the "elect" who are under the grace of God, will not be able to make it through the shortened time of the great tribulation, and will not be "saved" (Matthew 24:22). Yeshua message of the kingdom of heaven, required that one "repent", which is to turn away from sin, and to be baptized in the Spirit (Mt 3), which is to say be born again, for which on must die to self, and therefore not being able to sin, for their strength no longer depends on Wonder Bread, the bread of General Mills, but on the "Word of God", which is the bread of life. The "breath of life" is a gift to all the living, and to separate oneself from God, thru the act of sinning, is a choice of the individual, who apparently submit to the dominion of sin/evil, which according to 1 John 3:8, makes them a son of the devil. But don't worry, I don't think Putin is going to drop a bomb on you this week, so you still have time to consider your actions.