Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[JehovahsWitness]

My position on the matter of the OPQs is that YHWH allows for personalities to form and YHWH is able to give those personalities exactly what they wish for.

That is biblically true enough and the point of the thread is that most people (present company excepted) wish for life, health and love and if they are honest not for death. Since God is Almighty, it seems reasonable he will provide humans with this most natural of desires.

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THE KINGDOM, THE MILLENIUM and ...THE EARTHLY PARADISE

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2221]

My position on the matter of the OPQs is that YHWH allows for personalities to form and YHWH is able to give those personalities exactly what they wish for.

That is biblically true enough and the point of the thread is that most people (present company excepted) wish for life, health and love and if they are honest not for death. Since God is Almighty, it seems reasonable he will provide humans with this most natural of desires.

And I have not argued otherwise. YHWH will grant you what you wish for, as YHWH will grant others who do not wish for what you wish for, what they wish for as well.

"The Point of the thread" is as I say, is that it provides a virtual Kingdom Hall where JW proselyting can be done, which of course is different from where debating can be done.

I admire the intelligence involved in JWs having 'made it so' - but my question as to it being fair to other denominations is still valid.
Why should JWs be allowed to use a debate setting for proselyting, when other Christians are exempt from doing so?

[JehovahsWitness]

YHWH will grant you what you wish for, as YHWH will grant others who do not wish for what you wish for, what they wish for as well.

I sincerely believe that is true. Those that do not wish to live forever will not be forced to and those that wish for death will at armageddon be granted their hearts desire and be killed.





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[Tcg]

I sincerely believe so. Those that do not wish to live forever will not be forced to and those that wish for death will at armageddon be granted their hearts desire and be killed.

Now all you have to do is provide verifiable evidence that anyone's heart's desire is to be killed.


Tcg

[myth-one.com]

There are no animals in the spirit world.

That's correct!

Thus man cannot exist in the spiritual world -- being an animal.

All animals, including man, exist in the physical world.

But both worlds do exist at the same time.

However, the inhabitants of each world do not exist over the same time period.

All animals die, while all spirits live forever.

Man has no preeminence over any other animal in the earthly world -- as all die.

That which is born of an animal into the physical world is another animal.

That which is born of the Spirit (God) into the spiritual world, is another spirit.

The only way any animal can enter the spiritual world is to be born a second time (or born again) of the Spirit, as a spirit, into the spiritual world.

Anyways, that's what the scriptures clearly state.

You're making progress.

[JehovahsWitness]

There are no animals in the spirit world.

That's correct!

Thus man cannot exist in the spiritual world -- being an animal.

Biblically humans are not animals but were given dominion over the animals but yes, humans are physical and cannot exist in the spirit realm. That is why the bible promises resurrection to spirit life for some.


JW

[myth-one.com]

Biblically humans are not animals but were given dominion over the animals but yes, humans are physical and cannot exist in the spirit realm.

Why do you claim that "biblically" humans are not animals?

In the original languages in which the scriptures were written, the exact same words were used when referring to man and the other animals -- "nephesh" and "psuche."

That is why the bible promises resurrection to spirit life for some.

Being born of the flesh makes us animals.

Being born of the Spirit makes us spirits -- not being resurrected.

Being resurrected at the Second Coming is the moment in when the bulk of believers will be born again of the Spirit.

All deceased believers will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life at that time.

At this time, no believer has been born again of the Spirit.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to William in post #2220]

Thank you.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2221]

My position on the matter of the OPQs is that YHWH allows for personalities to form and YHWH is able to give those personalities exactly what they wish for.

That is biblically true enough and the point of the thread is that most people (present company excepted) wish for life, health and love and if they are honest not for death. Since God is Almighty, it seems reasonable he will provide humans with this most natural of desires.

And I have not argued otherwise. YHWH will grant you what you wish for, as YHWH will grant others who do not wish for what you wish for, what they wish for as well.

"The Point of the thread" is as I say, is that it provides a virtual Kingdom Hall where JW proselyting can be done, which of course is different from where debating can be done.

I admire the intelligence involved in JWs having 'made it so' - but my question as to it being fair to other denominations is still valid.
Why should JWs be allowed to use a debate setting for proselyting, when other Christians are exempt from doing so?

They are not exempt from posting their thoughts and questions, just as JehovahsWitness, tigger, 2timothy and others are not exempt. Why can't religious subjects be debated? Religion doesn't have to be a separate subject unto itself. Hopefully, people will back up what they say with Scriptures or verses from their sacred texts, and be prepared to show respect for another person's pov.

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2221]

My position on the matter of the OPQs is that YHWH allows for personalities to form and YHWH is able to give those personalities exactly what they wish for.

That is biblically true enough and the point of the thread is that most people (present company excepted) wish for life, health and love and if they are honest not for death. Since God is Almighty, it seems reasonable he will provide humans with this most natural of desires.

And I have not argued otherwise. YHWH will grant you what you wish for, as YHWH will grant others who do not wish for what you wish for, what they wish for as well.

"The Point of the thread" is as I say, is that it provides a virtual Kingdom Hall where JW proselyting can be done, which of course is different from where debating can be done.

I admire the intelligence involved in JWs having 'made it so' - but my question as to it being fair to other denominations is still valid.
Why should JWs be allowed to use a debate setting for proselyting, when other Christians are exempt from doing so?

They are not exempt from posting their thoughts and questions, just as JehovahsWitness, tigger, 2timothy and others are not exempt. Why can't religious subjects be debated? Religion doesn't have to be a separate subject unto itself. Hopefully, people will back up what they say with Scriptures or verses from their sacred texts, and be prepared to show respect for another person's pov.

Certainly my observation and evaluation of this thread is not to complain that Christians are debating their positions on matters of scriptural interpretation.
My observations are concerned with the OP and nature of the OPQ's which are honestly not questions for debate.
As such, I am not questioning the existence of this thread in and of itself. What I am questioning is why it is in a debate setting.

The steps:

The thread was created over six years ago
Six years later YHWH shows me that the OPQs are honestly not questions for debate.
I approach the JWs and bring this to their notice.
The JWs respond and appear to agree with me.
I now ask the JWs you mention, JehovahsWitness, tigger, 2timothy and any others, to consider conferencing together in PM the idea of having this Thread shifted to a more appropriate sub-forum and whether they would consider asking the Moderation Team to do this.