I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.
Jesus' words:
1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)
2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)
3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)
He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)
5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)
6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)
7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)
To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)
Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?
Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?
JESUS IS NOT GOD
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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #401There is plenty there that disproves that Jesus is God. Let us leave it to onlookers here to discern what makes sense and what doesn't.Brightfame52 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:42 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #399]
Not one of those scriptures say Jesus is not God, they affirm Him to be the Son of God, the God Man Mediator. Jesus is God and the Son of God. Hes both God and Man, you havent disproved that.
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Post #402[Replying to onewithhim in post #401]
Not one of those scriptures disprove Jesus is God, but they Identify Him as the Son of God, the Man Mediator.
Not one of those scriptures disprove Jesus is God, but they Identify Him as the Son of God, the Man Mediator.
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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #403Then how can God be his own Son?Brightfame52 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:25 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #401]
Not one of those scriptures disprove Jesus is God, but they Identify Him as the Son of God, the Man Mediator.
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Post #404Where did I say God was His Own Son ?onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:43 amThen how can God be his own Son?Brightfame52 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:25 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #401]
Not one of those scriptures disprove Jesus is God, but they Identify Him as the Son of God, the Man Mediator.
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Post #405You haven't said it directly, but you make it implicit when you say that Jesus is God and at the same time the Son of God. They are contradictory statements that lead to the ridiculous idea that God is also his own Son.Brightfame52 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:09 amWhere did I say God was His Own Son ?onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:43 amThen how can God be his own Son?Brightfame52 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:25 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #401]
Not one of those scriptures disprove Jesus is God, but they Identify Him as the Son of God, the Man Mediator.
When people neglect the logic of thought, the least they produce is rational thinking. They can no longer reason properly, and their statements become empty and meaningless.
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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
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Post #407Well if I havent said it, dont project it that I did, thats dishonesty. Jesus is Both God and Man scripture says. You haven't disproved it either.Eloi wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:45 amYou haven't said it directly, but you make it implicit when you say that Jesus is God and at the same time the Son of God. They are contradictory statements that lead to the ridiculous idea that God is also his own Son.Brightfame52 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:09 amWhere did I say God was His Own Son ?onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:43 amThen how can God be his own Son?Brightfame52 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:25 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #401]
Not one of those scriptures disprove Jesus is God, but they Identify Him as the Son of God, the Man Mediator.
When people neglect the logic of thought, the least they produce is rational thinking. They can no longer reason properly, and their statements become empty and meaningless.
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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #408Which trinity do you believe? The one where Jesus and His Father are equals in all respects or the trinity where they are not?Brightfame52 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:55 amWell if I havent said it, dont project it that I did, thats dishonesty. Jesus is Both God and Man scripture says. You haven't disproved it either.Eloi wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:45 amYou haven't said it directly, but you make it implicit when you say that Jesus is God and at the same time the Son of God. They are contradictory statements that lead to the ridiculous idea that God is also his own Son.Brightfame52 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:09 amWhere did I say God was His Own Son ?onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:43 amThen how can God be his own Son?Brightfame52 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:25 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #401]
Not one of those scriptures disprove Jesus is God, but they Identify Him as the Son of God, the Man Mediator.
When people neglect the logic of thought, the least they produce is rational thinking. They can no longer reason properly, and their statements become empty and meaningless.
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Post #409You made it implicit. Your reasoning gives us no other conclusion to draw than Jesus is his own Son.Brightfame52 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:55 amWell if I havent said it, dont project it that I did, thats dishonesty. Jesus is Both God and Man scripture says. You haven't disproved it either.Eloi wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:45 amYou haven't said it directly, but you make it implicit when you say that Jesus is God and at the same time the Son of God. They are contradictory statements that lead to the ridiculous idea that God is also his own Son.Brightfame52 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:09 amWhere did I say God was His Own Son ?onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:43 amThen how can God be his own Son?Brightfame52 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:25 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #401]
Not one of those scriptures disprove Jesus is God, but they Identify Him as the Son of God, the Man Mediator.
When people neglect the logic of thought, the least they produce is rational thinking. They can no longer reason properly, and their statements become empty and meaningless.
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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #410Never heard of such2timothy316 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:19 amWhich trinity do you believe? The one where Jesus and His Father are equals in all respects or the trinity where they are not?Brightfame52 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:55 amWell if I havent said it, dont project it that I did, thats dishonesty. Jesus is Both God and Man scripture says. You haven't disproved it either.Eloi wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:45 amYou haven't said it directly, but you make it implicit when you say that Jesus is God and at the same time the Son of God. They are contradictory statements that lead to the ridiculous idea that God is also his own Son.Brightfame52 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:09 amWhere did I say God was His Own Son ?onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:43 amThen how can God be his own Son?Brightfame52 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:25 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #401]
Not one of those scriptures disprove Jesus is God, but they Identify Him as the Son of God, the Man Mediator.
When people neglect the logic of thought, the least they produce is rational thinking. They can no longer reason properly, and their statements become empty and meaningless.