When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?
If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.
We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.
Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29
Paradise on Earth
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Post #23311. The Hebrew used at Psalm 139 is not shekinah but paniym (lit) face
2. Grammatical gender classification has nothing to do with biological gender.
3. You did not answer the question : Is there and instance in scripture when the person of YHWH is refered to using the feminine personal pronouns?
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Post #2332[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2331]
Is there anywhere in scripture where YHWH is described biological?2. Grammatical gender classification has nothing to do with biological gender.
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Post #2333As already said. If one wants to refer to YHWH in the masculine, one is free to do so. Same for the feminine.
We can ping-pong one scripture appearing to argue against another, but when one steps back and understand this is because all scripture caters for many differing beliefs, one also understands the futility of doing so.
I can accept all, equally. It is also noteworthy to acknowledge that those who can;t, are those stuck with the idea that their interpretation of scripture is 'the best'.
It simply is not the case.
We can ping-pong one scripture appearing to argue against another, but when one steps back and understand this is because all scripture caters for many differing beliefs, one also understands the futility of doing so.
I can accept all, equally. It is also noteworthy to acknowledge that those who can;t, are those stuck with the idea that their interpretation of scripture is 'the best'.
It simply is not the case.
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Post #2334IF GOD IS IN A PARTICULAR PART OF HEAVEN, HOW IS IT HE CAN SEE AND AFFECT EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE?
God is a spirit and resides in heaven but this does not mean there is anything he cannot see or affect. This is because Jehovah is abundant in power and He uses this power, his active force to accomplish anything he wishes. For example it was his spirit* (ie his active force /power ) that he used to form the earth.
Notice it wasnt God that was moving over the water but his spirit or active force. To illustrate: A power station does not have to move into your living room in order to power your computer or tv ; it generates the energy which is distributed to the households. In the same manner, God has no need to literally move onto the earth (or any other location) to exercise his power. He simply generates and distributes his tremendous power to wherever it is needed.GENESIS 1:2 NWT
Now the earth was formless and desolate, and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep, and God’s active force was moving about over the surface of the waters.
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Post #2335[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2334]
The power station is not separate from that which it energizes. The power station converts the energy that the water produces. YHWH is more like the water than the power station...Spirit and Water are similar - water is a good analogy for spirit in the way it interacts, as is wind - as are all the elements. Fire, Water, Earth, and Air are all mentioned in relation to YHWH.
YHWH is not locked or fixed into any main position or state...such is the nature of the Spirit She Is.
The power station is not separate from that which it energizes. The power station converts the energy that the water produces. YHWH is more like the water than the power station...Spirit and Water are similar - water is a good analogy for spirit in the way it interacts, as is wind - as are all the elements. Fire, Water, Earth, and Air are all mentioned in relation to YHWH.
YHWH is not locked or fixed into any main position or state...such is the nature of the Spirit She Is.
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Post #2336Moving that into alignment with the topic, how YHWH succeeds in making Earth into a paradise for our enjoyment involves being 'in the know' through personal participation, rather than as a bystander.
And the bible clearly shows the many various ways in which YHWH is able to do so - and that there is no way in which YHWH is not able...YHWH enables.
And the bible clearly shows the many various ways in which YHWH is able to do so - and that there is no way in which YHWH is not able...YHWH enables.
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Post #2337There is no need to look any further than in the beginning YHWH created the first humans in The image of YHWH - [their {YHWHs} image of YHWH - not mans image of YHWH]
One can put down the subsequent defining - in writing - of YHWH in the masculine, to the dominant role male humans have had in all those religions.
One need consider this fact [factor in] re 'how come' YHWH is referred to in the masculine...from the Pope down - even to - the Kingdom Halls.
It is a good device for the purpose of breaking free from that spell-bound-standard, to purposefully refer to YHWH in the feminine, as a means to an end, rather than becoming an end in and of itself.
Even adding, "Thank You too, The Mother," while engaging with The Father. Might even cause Dad to crack a smile...who knows!
[What I also know is that numbers don't lie.]

Also YHWH ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑
One literally cannot separate YHWH from the Creation. She was there from the beginning and so was He.
One can put down the subsequent defining - in writing - of YHWH in the masculine, to the dominant role male humans have had in all those religions.
One need consider this fact [factor in] re 'how come' YHWH is referred to in the masculine...from the Pope down - even to - the Kingdom Halls.
It is a good device for the purpose of breaking free from that spell-bound-standard, to purposefully refer to YHWH in the feminine, as a means to an end, rather than becoming an end in and of itself.
Even adding, "Thank You too, The Mother," while engaging with The Father. Might even cause Dad to crack a smile...who knows!

[What I also know is that numbers don't lie.]

Also YHWH ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑
One literally cannot separate YHWH from the Creation. She was there from the beginning and so was He.
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Post #2338<=====================================>William wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:19 pmNo, there really isn't.myth-one.com wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:14 pmYes, there is!William wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:38 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #2311]
There is no reason why both cannot be.Regarding Onewithhim's two groups, Myth-one.com wrote:But regarding your two groups -- which, if any, are members of the Kingdom of God?
Yes there really, really is a reason why both groups cannot be members of the Kingdom of God.
Do you speak for Onewithhim now??
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Post #2339The Bible has a definite order, without any options for all mankind as to the following event.William wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:18 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #2316]
From the bible is where I get this stuff.According to the Bible, those who have died before the promised return have absolutely no knowledge of any thing whatsoever.
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing... (Ecclesiastes 9:5)
Where do you get this stuff?
That order is that we "sleep" in their graves after our first death, awaiting resurrection. This refers to all mankind -- believers and non-believers.
Describe one optional method to the first death followed by sleep, and then the resurrection.
Jesus told one of those crucified with Him that he would be with Him in paradise.
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