When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?
If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.
We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.
Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29
Paradise on Earth
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Re: Paradise on Earth
Post #2381Except when he created Saul the king of Israel, for which he was sorry.myth-one.com wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:33 pmLet me play your little game with you first. If you know someone is female, then she or her is correct.Billie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:00 pmOkay - well if you find any evidence to support your assertion that there ever was a "Plan A" - please do offer it up for consideration.myth-one.com wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:16 pmI have no earthly idea.Billie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:50 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #2369]
What was Plan "A"? What was Earth created for?Myth-one.com wrote:So man is Plan "B". The earth was never created for man. Man does not live long enough to rule over the earth.
And that once bothered me, but I had to let it go.
Meantime, can you answer why - since YHWH knows what She is doing - how is it that "Plan A" needed a "Plan B"...
Do you know that God is a female?
God declared that every thing He created was made as "very good".
The angels who rebelled caused Plan "A" to fail -- God did not cause it to fail, sweetheart.
I've already presented the evidence of a Plan "A".
Read it again, Honey.
You shouldn't.
Pay close attention, Dear. God created every thing very good:
1 Samuel 15:35
Even though Samuel felt sad about Saul, Samuel never saw him again. The Lord was sorry he had made Saul the king of Israel.
Even though Samuel felt sad about Saul, Samuel never saw him again. The Lord was sorry he had made Saul the king of Israel.
And having created humans, which, considering the Flood that followed, he really regretted doing.
Genesis 6:6
The Lord regretted making human beings on the earth, and he was heartbroken.
The Lord regretted making human beings on the earth, and he was heartbroken.
And how about creating evil, is that a very good thing to do? I believe most Christians would say it's not, yet that's just what god does.
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Or how about creating the order to kill practicing male homosexuals? Was that a very good thing to do? Did you kill your quota last year?
Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
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Re: Paradise on Earth
Post #2382Good points. I wonder if this 'paradise' would be much different than what many would like to believe.William wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 6:22 pm [Replying to nobspeople in post #2348]
Obviously the culture will have to shift from the male-dominated one to the shared one [whatever that might be] and would be all-inclusive for that.Personally, I believe god was created in man's image and in a male dominated society of the time, god was thusly 'male' in its description.
But let's take the happy trolley to what I'll call 'imagination-land', where god created everything.
Again, in a male dominated society of the time the bible was written, it would make sense for men to write about god as a male.
There are cultures on this planet that, even today, have more than one gender.
So for someone to expect god to be only 'male or female' seems, at best, reflective of the culture in which one currently lives IMO
How that relates to 'paradise'.....? Maybe there, it will be non-binary, genderless or androgynous? Maybe everyone will look the same, sound the same, think the same... that may be paradise for some?
I would rather not have sex-organs in such a paradise - not just because they appear to be so connected re the problems of the world - but more realistically, there would be no more need to 'go forth and multiply' since no one will be dying anymore.
My preference re 'what is paradise' re 'living forevermore on this one planet' would be to have the ability to exist through all forms simultaneously, know all thoughts being thought at all times and be able to direct the progress of the population toward ensuring continuous peace and harmony.
Have a great, potentially godless, day!
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Re: Paradise on Earth
Post #2383Yet you're trying to say that the people that wrote the Bible have different views from God and that is not what the Bible says. 2 Peter 1:20 says "men spoke from God". It doesn't matter what you think was claimed in this forum. The Bible holds more authority than what you think they claimed. The Bible writer's views/beliefs are not their views but Jehovah's views. Paul didn't believe the Earth's future was going one way while Peter thought it was going another. Jehovah doesn't have to contend with His own word. God's Word is what you have to contend with in this forum.William wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 6:06 pm [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2358]
As already pointed out, it says a lot in the bible and the evidence is clear that not all who claim the bible is authoritative, interpret the bible in the same way, so it can be deduced from that evidence that the bible - even if written by men claiming they were under the direct influence of YHWH that this was done using men with differing views/beliefs about things.So it is not the men that wrote the bible that conveyed God's chosen pronouns its YHWH God Himself. It says so right there in the bible.
YHWH still has to contend with the beliefs of those being inspired.
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Re: Paradise on Earth
Post #2384[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #2383]
This particular thread has no question(s) for debate, so strictly speaking shouldn't even be in this forum.God's Word is what you have to contend with in this forum.
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Re: Paradise on Earth
Post #2385People believe all sorts of conflicting things.nobspeople wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:24 amGood points. I wonder if this 'paradise' would be much different than what many would like to believe.William wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 6:22 pm [Replying to nobspeople in post #2348]
Obviously the culture will have to shift from the male-dominated one to the shared one [whatever that might be] and would be all-inclusive for that.Personally, I believe god was created in man's image and in a male dominated society of the time, god was thusly 'male' in its description.
But let's take the happy trolley to what I'll call 'imagination-land', where god created everything.
Again, in a male dominated society of the time the bible was written, it would make sense for men to write about god as a male.
There are cultures on this planet that, even today, have more than one gender.
So for someone to expect god to be only 'male or female' seems, at best, reflective of the culture in which one currently lives IMO
How that relates to 'paradise'.....? Maybe there, it will be non-binary, genderless or androgynous? Maybe everyone will look the same, sound the same, think the same... that may be paradise for some?
I would rather not have sex-organs in such a paradise - not just because they appear to be so connected re the problems of the world - but more realistically, there would be no more need to 'go forth and multiply' since no one will be dying anymore.
My preference re 'what is paradise' re 'living forevermore on this one planet' would be to have the ability to exist through all forms simultaneously, know all thoughts being thought at all times and be able to direct the progress of the population toward ensuring continuous peace and harmony.
They think that YHWH built something good which then somehow got spoiled by something evil.
What they are really saying through their stories, is that they don't like some things that are part of the creation, so they want those things removed.
Perish the thought of having to live forever without good old heterosexual sex...they probably would even resist being in the form of the opposite gender to what they are at present... I suppose what is Good in YHWHs eyes, isn't necessarily good according to everyone, and so 'stories get made up'.
Until ganna be gets here, its all just ganna be no show and nothing to tell except beliefs shaped in dissatisfaction and condemnation...
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Re: Paradise on Earth
Post #2386MaybeWilliam wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:32 pmPeople believe all sorts of conflicting things.nobspeople wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:24 amGood points. I wonder if this 'paradise' would be much different than what many would like to believe.William wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 6:22 pm [Replying to nobspeople in post #2348]
Obviously the culture will have to shift from the male-dominated one to the shared one [whatever that might be] and would be all-inclusive for that.Personally, I believe god was created in man's image and in a male dominated society of the time, god was thusly 'male' in its description.
But let's take the happy trolley to what I'll call 'imagination-land', where god created everything.
Again, in a male dominated society of the time the bible was written, it would make sense for men to write about god as a male.
There are cultures on this planet that, even today, have more than one gender.
So for someone to expect god to be only 'male or female' seems, at best, reflective of the culture in which one currently lives IMO
How that relates to 'paradise'.....? Maybe there, it will be non-binary, genderless or androgynous? Maybe everyone will look the same, sound the same, think the same... that may be paradise for some?
I would rather not have sex-organs in such a paradise - not just because they appear to be so connected re the problems of the world - but more realistically, there would be no more need to 'go forth and multiply' since no one will be dying anymore.
My preference re 'what is paradise' re 'living forevermore on this one planet' would be to have the ability to exist through all forms simultaneously, know all thoughts being thought at all times and be able to direct the progress of the population toward ensuring continuous peace and harmony.
They think that YHWH built something good which then somehow got spoiled by something evil.
What they are really saying through their stories, is that they don't like some things that are part of the creation, so they want those things removed.
Perish the thought of having to live forever without good old heterosexual sex...they probably would even resist being in the form of the opposite gender to what they are at present... I suppose what is Good in YHWHs eyes, isn't necessarily good according to everyone, and so 'stories get made up'.
Until ganna be gets here, its all just ganna be no show and nothing to tell except beliefs shaped in dissatisfaction and condemnation...
As you said, people believe all sorts of conflicting things....
Have a great, potentially godless, day!
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Re: Paradise on Earth
Post #2387WILL GOD CASTRATE OR REMOVE HUMAN GENITALS IN THE EARTHY PARADISE?
We do not know what God will do regarding population control once his original purpose to fill the earth with the physical descendants of Adam and Eve is finally fulfilled, but what we do know is that they will always be physical humans and that they will indeed have sexual organs since that is one of the many physical characteristists of a mature adult human being as per the original design*.
Since marriage is biblically only terminated by death, people that choose to marry in the new world and never die will logically continue to enjoy each other sexually so a redesigning of the human body or a removal of the genitals is not supported by the biblical narrative.
Most rational adults are aware that sex is part of a healthy marriage since it (sex) is not only for the purpose of reproduction but a way couples express love for each other, enjoy physical pleasure and ideally strengthen the emotional bond between them.
* Jehovah God pronounced the human body (including its reporoductive organs) and all his physical creation " very good" on the 6th creative day, so to remove a feature from the original design would make it incomplete and not fit for purpose.
Will people be able to have sex in PARADISE?
viewtopic.php?p=927363#p927363
If people live forever and continue to reproduce, wont the earth become overpopulated?
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Once the earth is fully populated , will God remove human genitials [This post]
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Does anyone have sex in heaven?
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Is the song of Solomon pornographic?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 37#p358037
If God knew Adam needed a mate, why did he make Adam to wait for her?
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Re: Paradise on Earth
Post #2388Well until it happens, such things remain beliefs.nobspeople wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:54 pmMaybeWilliam wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:32 pmPeople believe all sorts of conflicting things.nobspeople wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:24 amGood points. I wonder if this 'paradise' would be much different than what many would like to believe.William wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 6:22 pm [Replying to nobspeople in post #2348]
Obviously the culture will have to shift from the male-dominated one to the shared one [whatever that might be] and would be all-inclusive for that.Personally, I believe god was created in man's image and in a male dominated society of the time, god was thusly 'male' in its description.
But let's take the happy trolley to what I'll call 'imagination-land', where god created everything.
Again, in a male dominated society of the time the bible was written, it would make sense for men to write about god as a male.
There are cultures on this planet that, even today, have more than one gender.
So for someone to expect god to be only 'male or female' seems, at best, reflective of the culture in which one currently lives IMO
How that relates to 'paradise'.....? Maybe there, it will be non-binary, genderless or androgynous? Maybe everyone will look the same, sound the same, think the same... that may be paradise for some?
I would rather not have sex-organs in such a paradise - not just because they appear to be so connected re the problems of the world - but more realistically, there would be no more need to 'go forth and multiply' since no one will be dying anymore.
My preference re 'what is paradise' re 'living forevermore on this one planet' would be to have the ability to exist through all forms simultaneously, know all thoughts being thought at all times and be able to direct the progress of the population toward ensuring continuous peace and harmony.
They think that YHWH built something good which then somehow got spoiled by something evil.
What they are really saying through their stories, is that they don't like some things that are part of the creation, so they want those things removed.
Perish the thought of having to live forever without good old heterosexual sex...they probably would even resist being in the form of the opposite gender to what they are at present... I suppose what is Good in YHWHs eyes, isn't necessarily good according to everyone, and so 'stories get made up'.
Until ganna be gets here, its all just ganna be no show and nothing to tell except beliefs shaped in dissatisfaction and condemnation...
As you said, people believe all sorts of conflicting things....
Wishful thinking.
Signs of dissatisfaction with the world YHWH created and demanding better - with the perks of course.
Like being married to the same person forever or being the same sex forever because that is what being 'good' is all about.
I would rather be a robot with a mind of its own, and deal with the fact of being on this planet forever as an opportunity to lay aside that which is unnecessary and perhaps even use these humans who still cling to the old good, to my advantage by having them live the way they believe is good while they enjoy the paradise I built for them while they slept.
Like a Shepard with his sheep, corralled so that they have no knowledge of the ones they despised so willfully in the name of GOOD, they are doomed to a forever on this planet while the rest fly free and enjoy the fruits of The Grand Galaxy.
It is a fitting sentence for such. Justice.
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Re: Paradise on Earth
Post #2389Actually it did before the website change over. The title of this thread used to be, "Paradise on Earth - Isn't this what everybody really wants?" It got shortened for whatever reason with the new forum format.William wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:23 pm [Replying to 2timothy316 in post #2383]
This particular thread has no question(s) for debate, so strictly speaking shouldn't even be in this forum.God's Word is what you have to contend with in this forum.
You being new wouldn't know this, so I'll give you that.
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Re: Paradise on Earth
Post #2390[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #2389]
As I observed - this thread has no questions for debate. Are you going to claim that the questions were also changed along with the heading, due to the change-over?
The question "Isn't this what everybody really wants?" might be debatable, but biblical referencing with accompanying different interpretations doesn't get the ship sailing...
The debate isn't centered on whether the bible is true or not. It is just about whether anyone's particular interpretation of biblical script is true or not.
So far, the idea that one shall live on this earth forever isn't under question. What is under question is the logic of such belief.
As I observed - this thread has no questions for debate. Are you going to claim that the questions were also changed along with the heading, due to the change-over?
The question "Isn't this what everybody really wants?" might be debatable, but biblical referencing with accompanying different interpretations doesn't get the ship sailing...
The debate isn't centered on whether the bible is true or not. It is just about whether anyone's particular interpretation of biblical script is true or not.
So far, the idea that one shall live on this earth forever isn't under question. What is under question is the logic of such belief.